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    • Complaint Type:
      Service or Repair Issues
      Status:
      Answered

      I have a 2018 Mazda CX-9 with a 2.5L turbo engine which recently developed a huge oil leak. I took it to my local Mazda Dealership (******** *****) and they confirmed that my cylinder was cracked as addressed in a Technical Service "Bulletin 01-013/21 - Coolant Leaks At Cylinder Head" They advised that this would not be covered under the powertrain warranty as my warranty ran out six months previously. The service manager said the service bulletin only applies to non-turbo engines *** ** ** * ****** ******* **** ***** ******* ** *** **** **** ******** ** *** ********* The replacement cost was quoted at $7700 but they offered a "goodwill" gesture of giving me 20% off. Unfortunately the service manager said if I take the 20% discount they won't give me any sort of warranty on the new engine due to reasons that were not clear to me. The person I spoke to at Mazda Canada said some people with the same problem were given a free replacement engine but had to pay the labour to get it installed. I'm not sure why this offer wasn't extended to me. I understand I am six months outside my warranty but I'm looking for my engine to be replaced ** **** * **** ********** ********* *******

      *****************

      Business response

      31/01/2024

      Mazda Canada appreciates the opportunity to respond to this customer comment.  We are sorry the customer has experienced a concern with his 2018 vehicle which unfortunately transpired after the warranty had expired.

      Mazda Canada wishes to clarify statements made by the customer in his BBB complaint starting with the reference to a Technical Service Bulletin (TSB).  TSBs are prepared by Mazda and presented to dealers as an aid in undertaking repairs and do not provide clarifications or references to warranty coverage.  The vehicle’s defined warranty parameters are the guiding principle for warranty consideration and in this situation the concern transpired six months after the powertrain warranty concluded.

      The statement listed by the customer as being made by Mazda Canada that, “some people with the same problem were given a free replacement engine but had to pay for the labour…” Mazda Canada will not dispute that this statement was made.  We do feel a clarification is required.  ***** ******* ** * *** ****** ** **** **********  ** *** *** ****** ** ********** *** ********* * **** ****** *************  Mazda Canada and our dealers, when providing considerations of goodwill assistance evaluate each individual situation on the merits of the particular situation in question.  Many factors are taken into consideration; How long has the customer owned the vehicle?  Was the vehicle purchased new or is the customer a second owner?  How far past warranty coverage is the vehicle?  How many kilometers are on the vehicle?  How frequently has the customer serviced at a Mazda dealer?  As a sample of inputs gathered.  Each of these elements are particular and important to evaluating the situation. 

      This customer’s particular concern involves a cracked cylinder head.  From an engine operational perspective, an oil leak or a coolant leak in the cylinder head can be addressed by a cylinder head replacement.  This situation however required an engine replacement which brings into account another set of factors to consider.  If a coolant or oil leak is ignored and not addressed the resulting loss of coolant or oil could result in causing an engine failure.  These situations tend to have a common factor in that the operator of the vehicle is not appropriately monitoring fluid levels which in the end are the primary cause of a resulting engine failure.

      Based on the customer’s situation and contributing factors, Mazda Canada feels the customer’s situation was appropriately handled by the dealer undertaking the repair and Mazda Canada.

      Customer response

      04/02/2024


      Complaint: ********

      I am rejecting this response because:

      ***** ****** *** ********* **** * *** ********* **** **** *** ** * ***** ******* **** * ********** ******** ** ****** **** ********* ********* ******* ** * ********* **** ***** ****** *** ****** ** **** *** **** **** ** ********** *** ******* ** **** **** ********* ********** ** ** * ******** *** * *********** * ******** **** **** ** ***** ** ******* ***** ** **** * ****** * ****** **** ** ** * ********* **** ******** ******* **** * ********* **** ******** * ******* ** *** ****** **** * ************* ******* ****

      *** ***** ******* ***** ****** *** ** *** ************** **** **** at the Westowne dealership in west Toronto. When I sat down for a conversation with *** ********* the service manager, he said to me in all the years that he has worked there he has only seen one cracked cylinder failure. I had the opportunity to talk to the mechanic who installed my new engine at the dealership a few weeks later. He mentioned that he has done "up to three replacements a month" on cracked cylinders.

      **** *** **** * ******* ******* *** ** **** *** ******* *** ***** ***** ***** * ******* **** ** **** ********** ** *** ***** ** ******** *** ******* ********* ***** ** *** ****** *** **** ******* **** *** ******* ******* ** ***** ***** *** ************* ******* **** **** ***** ********** *** *** ******** ** ** ***** *** *** ********

      I can accept that my motor is six months past the warranty period and they will not extend an offer of good will.

      **** * ***** ****** ** *** **** ** ************** ***** *** ******* ** **** ** *** ************* ****** *** *** ********** ** ** ******** *** ********** ***** ******



      Sincerely,

      ******* *********

    • Complaint Type:
      Product Issues
      Status:
      Resolved

      December 7, 2023 To Whom It May Concern, Two Mazda CX5 GT’s were purchased new from ****** Mazda, ******* **, in 2016 and 2019. The 2019 has 37805 km to date. All service work is performed at either ****** or ********* Mazda. My issues with my 2019 CX5 GT is the cooling seat ventilation would periodically run after engine was shut off. I emailed Mazda Canada about the failure of their ECU module and my concerns were dismissed. This entire complaint process and this situation could have been avoided if Mazda Canada had taken a professional approach to solving customer complaints and concerns. This started in 2021, the cooling seat ventilation would turn on with ignition off and car parked. This would infrequently occur and run for 10-30 secs. It seemed to resolve itself until the winter arrived. Winter of 2022 it started again and would run 1-3 minutes on a very infrequent basis. I spoke with ********* and ****** Mazda and was informed they would need to see this occurring in order to diagnose. It didn’t occur in a predictable manner and made a diagnosis difficult. December 2023 the ventilation fans would not shut off until engine is restarted or battery has completely drained. To date I have spent $101.68 for diagnosis and temporary disconnection. ********* Mazda estimated the ECU heater module (GBY1-57-1A0) at $625.00 for supply and install. The repair bill is significant and it’s unreasonable to be charged as Mazda admits it’s their fault. A TSB was issued in late 2022 documenting this issue and Mazda states that the insulation breakdown is the cause of these malfunctions. My request is that Mazda honour this repair and confirm the battery has not received irreparable damage. As loyal owners of Mazda vehicles and dealership provided services, we ask that you reconsider your original decision. Thank you for your consideration. **** ******* * ****** ******** *** ********* ***** ****** *** ****** ************

      *** ******************

      Business response

      22/12/2023

      Mazda Canada is sorry to hear the consumers experienced issues with their 2019 CX-5. After careful review of the matter and taking into consideration the consumers’ loyalty to the Mazda brand, their Mazda Retailer will be in contact with them, if not already done and present them with a goodwill  gesture as a token of appreciate.

      Mazda Canada is confident that the outcome of this matter will be satisfactory.

      We trust the foregoing information sufficiently clarify Mazda Canada’s resolution approach in this matter.

      Sincerely,

      MAZDA CANADA INC.

      Customer response

      22/12/2023


      Better Business Bureau:

      To whom it May concern, I want to thank you for reconsidering my detailed issues and am pleased that a satisfactory outcome was achieved by all parties. 

      As such; I have reviewed the response made by the business in reference to complaint ID ********, and find that this resolution is satisfactory to me.

      Sincerely,

      **** *******

    • Complaint Type:
      Service or Repair Issues
      Status:
      Answered
      I have a 2018 Mazda CX-9 and recently started smelling coolant. I took it to my local Mazda Dealership and they confirmed that my head was cracked as addressed in a Technical Service "Bulletin 01-013/21 - Coolant Leaks At Cylinder Head " They advised that despite my mileage being at 90,000 kms, this would not be covered under the powertrain warranty as I am six months outside of my warranty period. I pointed out to them that Mazda has clearly admitted to a manufacturing defect on a limited number of vehicles with this TSB, and the only reason I didn't encounter it sooner was because I have been working from home due to COVID for the past three years. The head was going to fail given the manufacturing defect they admit to, it simply took longer because I, along with most of the world were not driving as much over the past three years and so it took longer to appear. The repair bill is significant, and I feel it is unfair to be charged such a large amount to repair something they admit is their fault so close to being outside of warranty.

      Business response

      01/11/2023

      Mazda Canada is sorry to hear that this customer experienced a concern shortly out of warranty.  Our Customer Assistance team has been in direct contact with this customer relative to this concern and following consultation with his servicing dealer, assistance has been provided to the customer based on the time of the incident and the customer’s service loyalty at his dealer.  We trust this action on the part of Mazda Canada and his dealer will settle this concern.

      Customer response

      10/11/2023


      Complaint: ********

      I am rejecting this response because:  It is not fully resolved yet.  My vehicle has been at the dealership for a full month at this point and there is no evidence of working having started.  Mazda made an offer of paying 50% of the cost which I accepted with the understanding the vehicle would be fixed and completed by the end of October.   I feel like there should be additional compensation as it is very inconvenient to be taking this long to repair.    I will not be indicating a satisfaction with the outcome until there is an outcome.  At this point I still don't know how long it will end up taking to repair or what the final bill will be.

      Sincerely,

      ***** ****

      Business response

      24/11/2023

      Mazda Canada advised the customer that due to the winter tire season being such a busy time within the entire industry, more in depth repairs such as Mr. **** CX-9 could take some time to obtain all parts needed to complete the repair as well as holding up a technician for a day or two. During this time, the customer was situated with other means of transportation provided by ********** Mazda. As Mazda Canada is under no obligation to provide other means of transportation, we felt the need to assist this customer during the period of vehicle repairs.

      The customer has already picked up his vehicle and the repair order was aligned to the previous offer Mazda Canada and the customer agreed upon (50/50 split).

      Customer response

      28/11/2023


      Better Business Bureau:

      I have reviewed the response made by the business in reference to complaint ID ********, and find that there is no reasonable chance of a satisfactory outcome.   I am therefore giving up *** *** **** ** ** ****** ****** as I don't feel there are any other tools available to me short of an expensive lawsuit to resolve this matter to my actual satisfaction.

      Sincerely,

      ***** ****
    • Complaint Type:
      Service or Repair Issues
      Status:
      Answered

      My car broke down and I used Mazda Roadside assistance to help me. The battery seemed to be flat and there were a lot of warning messages being displayed. I asked the first tow truck to give the car a boost to see if it would start. He declined and then said he couldn't actually remove my vehicle and had to call another truck. The second truck arrived 2 hours later and I asked the same question, but the driver declined. My vehicle was towed from Harrison Lake to Chilliwack on the Saturday evening. My partner and I were stranded in Harrison and had to book into a hotel at last minute, which cost around $400. The following morning it was an $80 cab ride to pick up a rental car from Chilliwack, because the local Mazda dealer could not loan me a vehicle. I then drove home to Vancouver and waited for my car to looked at by the garage on Tuesday afternoon. The issue turned out to be exactly what I thought, a flat battery. So I drove back to CHilliwack, paid for the garage to look at the vehicle, $160, and returned the rental car.....another $800!. So, I am out around $1200 due to Mazda's contracted roadside recovery trucks not willing to give me a boost. I raised the complaint with Mazda who have offered me $300 for my trouble

      * **** ******** * ***** ** *** **** ***** ** *****************. I am looking for Mazda to reimburse my hotel cost ($433.84) and rental car ($703.91), plus additional costs of $105 for taxis and $55 for food, total of $1297.75

      Please let me know if you require further information.

       

      Customer response

      13/09/2023

      Hi

      Mazda have offered me the standard out of pocket expenses as per their policy, to a maximum of $300 . My issuet is that I would not have incurred the additional expenses, totalling around $1200, if the Mazda roadside assistance driver had done what I asked them to do, which was to jump start my car as the battery seemed to be flat.

      Business response

      28/09/2023

      Mazda Canada is sorry this customer experienced a concern with his vehicle.  While vehicles breakdowns occur, each situation is unique and can bring inconvenience.  Mazda Canada is collaborating directly with this customer and reviewing their request.  Once the customer provides clarification as requested Mazda Canada will be able to evaluate their situation.


      We have confirmed that the dealer undertook re-charging of the battery as a resolution.  This corroborates the customer’s statement and an understanding as to why the request for the Roadside Assistance towing service drivers to boost his battery and their refusal has been frustrating for the customer.  It was conveyed to the customer by the Roadside Assistance representative when the request for service was made that towing service drivers are not technicians and undertaking diagnosis of a vehicle on the spot is beyond what they are trained to do.  While we can appreciate for the customer that a boost would have gotten him on his way with no inconvenience, it does not answer the question of what might have happened while boosting the vehicle?  Who takes responsibility if what the customer is requesting to be done is carried through, does not work and causes more damage?  Towing service companies do not want to take on this responsibility and with a vehicle which will not turn over, accompanied by not just dash lights which are on, but flashing dash lights, the towing service erred on the side of caution.


      Mazda Canada is continuing to work with this customer toward a resolution.

      Customer response

      11/10/2023

      ******

      I need to point out some inaccuracies in your summary:

      How am I, a customer to know that Mazda has discount rates?
      Why did ****** Mazda not provide me with any assistance in sourcing a rental vehicle at a discounted rate? I contacted ****** Mazda to let ask if they had my vehicle and was told that they had no loaner vehicles and could not help me. It was ****** Mazda who gave me the contact details of the 3 rental car companies in Chilliwack. Two of them were closed and ******** had THE ONLY CAR LEFT to rent in Chilliwack. It's ******** *** ***** ******** that ****** Mazda could have helped me secure a cheaper rate. They had zero interest in helping me. I did have a car booked through **********, maybe they are the mysterious company you allude too, however they called me to say that even though I had reserved a car online, they had none in stock.

      THe offer of $600 in maintenance credits is NOT acceptable. I will not use that amount of money within the time frame left on my lease and I am not going to deal with Mazda ever again. $600 in money is the only acceptable offer here.

      I await your response
    • Complaint Type:
      Product Issues
      Status:
      Answered
      I purchased a brand new Mazda CX9 with my hard earned money paying $55,682.44/- (all cash), It appears that the car I own is a lemon, I am writing to bring to your attention the numerous issues. This car has completely broken down\stalled and towed twice already and visited the service centre thrice. I keep getting put off between the dealer and the manufacturer (Mazda ** ******* & Mazda Canada in my case). Despite visiting the service centre thrice, it still gives me a check engine light on. I regret to inform you that my experience with the vehicle has been plagued with multiple problems, leading to significant inconvenience, frustration, and a loss of confidence in the quality and reliability of Mazda's products. From the moment of delivery, the car exhibited alignment problems, which required it to be returned for inspection the week of the purchase. It is worth noting that I was charged $690 for the pre-delivery inspection, which I find puzzling as the problems with the alignment were fairly obvious and is expected to fixed. I have the service records, photos, videos of all the instances. I would like to simply get a refund or get another car.

      Business response

      20/06/2023

      Mazda Canada is sorry to hear about this customer's experience.  As such we have undertaken direct communication with the selling dealer who have advised they are working directly with the customer to address both the vehicle concerns and to review his dissatisfaction with the vehicle.  Mazda Canada will continue to work directly with the dealer to reach a conclusion for this customer.

    • Complaint Type:
      Service or Repair Issues
      Status:
      Answered

      Mazda releases a bulletin SSPB6 about a defective touch screen and Mazda failed to inform me about this bulletin because they had the wrong mail address. I have updated my address with a Mazda dealer in 2017 but head office didn't update my information because Mazda head office database is not linked to Mazda dealer database. I was never told to update my information with both of them. in addition, Mazda always has my correct email and phone number that they always use to send me offers but they didn't use them to send me the bulletin. I have the ghost touch screen issue since 2020 but I couldn't afford to fix it. Now, I found by chance this SSPB6 bulletin but Mazda don't want to honor this warranty because my warranty has expired. I am being blamed for changing my address even if I updated the address with the dealer. it's Mazda's mistake not to inform me when they released the bulletin

      Business response

      31/05/2023

      Mazda Canada is sorry to hear the customer did not receive her Special Service Program (SSP) letter.  SSP communications are treated like recalls as they contain warranty extension information and are therefore mailed to customers as is the requirement for recalls.  While the customer claims she changed her address with her dealer, Mazda Canada contacted her dealer, and they identified that the customer address on file with them as being the customer's old address and the address to which the SSP letter was sent.  While the customer is stating she updated her address with the dealer, the dealer does not have her current address.

      All Mazda Canada Owner's Manuals contain clear information on how a customer can advise Mazda Canada of an address change.  Ensuring an OEM has a customer's most current address is the responsibility of the customer.

      The customer is claiming that her issue transpired in 2020 yet the parameters of the SSP applied to her vehicle till June 29, 2021.  The customer is claiming the cost of the repair prohibited her from moving forward with a repair however, a visit to a dealer even for routine maintenance would have identified the SSP coverage for her vehicle.  Unfortunately, this customer has not visited her dealer or any Mazda dealer, for any type of maintenance or service since June 2017.

      The customer has provided no verification that her vehicle has been inspected by a Mazda dealer to even confirm the condition being experienced is as defined in the SSP.  Unfortunately, the extended warranty covered under the SSP for this vehicle has expired.

      Customer response

      09/06/2023


      Complaint: ********

      I am really disappointed to read the answer from Mazda which has a total lack of responsibility for their faulty product and poor customer service. I was sure that I changed my address in the dealer because they never have an issue in reaching out to me for maintenance and offers as I already mentioned.  Anyways, after I moved from that address I paid 2 years for a mail forwarding and no letter from Mazda was received. Moreover, I am complaining about the shortcomings of Mazda of fulfilling their duty of notifying their customers of their faulty product. A letter can be missed and they should do more in their part to notify customers such an email and/or call. It is obvious to me and it lands in the common sense that if they know that a manufactured product has an issue, that issue will surface at anytime for the customer. The fact that Mazda does the minimum in the notification, it sounds to me that they just want to bury their mistake and make the client pay for it.

      I feel insulted that Mazda’s answer wants to antagonize the customer and indicate that it is my fault that I did not receive the notification because I did not update my address or I did not visit the dealer. I should have updated my address but that will not ensure that I receive the letter because mail can be lost. As I have stated before, Mazda should not minimize their responsibility in the notification of an issue and treat the notification as check list when people pay thousands of dollars for a faulty product. Also, I should add that I stopped visiting the dealer for maintenance because I realized that their service cost 2 or 3 times more than a mechanical could charge, their “Mazda Oil” is not fully synthetic or Mazda made oil which is not as good as other brands. So, i prefer to use a fully synthetic oil for the car to increase its performance, their oil filter is low quality and they try to oversell maintenance that is not strictly required. I did not feel I was receiving a good service and I moved my business to a trustworthy mechanic shop for which I should not be villainies but compensate for the poor customer service that again and again I have been receiving from Mazda.

      I have had the issue for years but just recently I came across with the recall. I decided to make an appointment with the dealer because in my mind it was conspicuous that if a product was fabricated with an inherited problem, it is the manufacturer responsibility to fix that issue. I even do not understand why Mazda is setting an expiration for a recall because my understanding is that recalls do not expire. It is really clear what is happening: Mazda sold a faulty product and Mazda is responsible for correcting their mistake. For your records,  I visited the dealer in May 23.

      Sincerely,

      ****** *****

      Business response

      21/06/2023

      Mazda Canada disagrees with the customer’s comments as we have taken responsibility for the concern she encountered years ago, through the issuing of a Special Service Program (SSP) to cover the repair.  A SSP is essentially a warranty extension for a specific item.  Knowing the customer has had the issue for years, one can only suppose based on how the customer has written her response, that it is Mazda Canada’s fault that the customer didn’t show up at a Mazda dealer years ago to inquire about the concern.  The claimed fault against us, "because our servicing is too expensive and of poor quality."  With the SSP in place we were offering the customer something for free and a simple phone call to a dealer about the concern would have prompted the dealer to coordinate a service visit to address the concern as they get paid to complete SSPs.  The SSP for this concern was issued in May 2019 thus giving the customer two years before it expired on her vehicle to have the work completed.

      Mazda Canada does not want to antagonize the customer and we apologize if the facts as being presented are doing so.  The customer’s understanding that SSPs are the same as Recalls is incorrect.  SSPs are not Recalls.  Recalls are issued under the direction of Transport Canada and therefore have no expiry date.  A SSP is a voluntary action taken by an OEM and therefor comes with an expiry date based on it being a warranty extension.

      We are sorry the customer does not agree with our stance.  Manufacturer warranties are in place to address product defects which may transpire.  In the case of SSPs, the specific concern is granted special consideration and provide a warranty extension.  In the same manner as a regular manufacturer warranty has an expiry date, so too do SSPs.  Due diligence on the part of the customer when the concern first transpired would have brought the customer to the same knowledge she has recently gained, that a warranty extension for her concern was issued.

      As for the recent dealer visit in May 2023. It appears it was just that, a visit, as no Repair Order was generated and therefore there is no repair history to support the visit.  Mazda Canada does not track visits to dealer service departments.  We track when Repair Orders have been created and work completed.

      Mazda Canada feels no obligation to reconsider this situation as the expiry of the SSP for this customer’s vehicle passed on June 29, 2021.  The customer had the opportunity prior to expiry date to consult with a dealer or undertake an online search.
    • Complaint Type:
      Service or Repair Issues
      Status:
      Resolved

      I have a valid warranty claim for my transmission in my Mazda 3, verified by two separate automotive garages in Kingston Ontario. (*** ***** ****** ************). Mazda Kingston and Mazda Canada refuse to take ownership and honour the warranty.

      *****************

      Business response

      17/05/2023

      Mazda Canada has reviewed this customer's complaint with our dealer who advised that their inspection and diagnosis of the vehicle found nothing wrong with the transmission or drivetrain.  They advised the customer's complaint is being caused by the tires.

      While the customer has advised that two 3rd party automotive service facilities have advised the transmission requires replacement, Mazda Canada will rely upon our dealer's diagnosis.  If the transmission was replaced as suggested by the 3rd party establishments, they would have no financial investment in the repair and it is highly unlikely that they will offer to pay for their misdiagnosis if the noise complaint is not addressed.

      Mazda Canada has learned that this customer has purchased this vehicle as a used vehicle and the visit to our dealer for this complain is the first Mazda dealer service visit for this vehicle since it was sold new.  This customer therefore is new to both Mazda and our dealer.  To demonstrate good faith, our dealer has advised that they are prepared to undertake a second inspection of the vehicle to provide the customer an understanding of the concern.

      Customer response

      17/05/2023


      Better Business Bureau:

      I have reviewed the response made by the business in reference to complaint ID ********, and find that this resolution is satisfactory to me.  Please have them contact me to arrange a service appointment 

      Sincerely,

      **** ******
    • Complaint Type:
      Service or Repair Issues
      Status:
      Resolved

      I called Mazda Canada as directed by the dealer. I spoke to a customer service agent named Sinthia. During the initial conversation Sinthia did not listen to anything I was attempting to explain regarding my vehicle or the issue I had. She was only concerned with the expiry date of my New Vehicle Warranty, and if I had taken my vehicle to a Mazda dealer for servicing. When I attempted to explain and provide information for my personal situation (that I live over an hour away from the closest dealer) so that I could be properly considered for a “case by case/good faith” exception, she cut me off and abruptly told me to email their customer service email with the invoices from my mechanic. I sent the email to Mazda Canada on March 20, 2023. After a week I called to ensure they received my email and asked if there was any more information I needed to provide. I was told my file is assigned to Sinthia and a note has been added for her to follow up with me. This exact experience was repeated 3 more times over the next 3 weeks. I did not hear anything from Sinthia. I was not requested to provide any information, and I was not given any updates or any information on my file. When I called on April 17th, 2023, I got the same response as the other calls, ‘Sinthia has the file and she will get back to me’, this time I told the agent on the phone that if I don’t hear from her I will be asking to speak to a manager the next day. That afternoon I received my first and only communication from Sinthia since my original call, an email saying my claim is denied with a very vague reason being that I don’t take my vehicle to a Mazda dealer for regular servicing. Mazda Canada was not interested in listening to me or giving me any opportunity to provide information towards my file so it could be viewed as an independent “case by case” file. Please see attached document for more information for this complaint. Pictures anttached are from my mechanic and provided to Mazda Canada.

       *** ****** *** ******************

      Business response

      21/04/2023

      Mazda Canada has reviewed this customer’s situation on a “case by case” basis, on its own merits.  Automotive warranties have defined parameters with an expiry date being a primary factor.  When the warranty is over, it is over.  The customer’s Mazda dealer has advised Mazda Canada that they explored the possibility of having the repair covered under a 3rd party product, but the repair was not covered.  If there is 3rd party after warranty coverage on the vehicle that has not expired yet declined to cover the repair, why is there an expectation to provide good faith when the Mazda warranty has expired?

      Multiple factors are utilized when examining this type of situation and the only prevailing factor the customer has offered is that he lives an hour from a Mazda dealer.  My home is on average an hour and 15 minutes from my office, but I live where I do by choice in the same manner the customer has chosen where he will live.  Mazda does not dictate where customer can or cannot live.  Customers make the choice of where to live and what vehicle to drive.  If the dealer is deemed to be too far from where the customer lives, there should be no expectation of an exception by OEM for a customer decision.

      Another factor reviewed was the vehicle’s servicing history at a Mazda dealer and this vehicle has not been to a Mazda dealer since December 2020.  Over two years since a Mazda trained technician has looked at or serviced the vehicle.  Having a Mazda dealer service a vehicle is not a condition of warranty coverage however having a Mazda technician service a vehicle builds goodwill between a customer and collectively the dealer and manufacturer.  With no visibility to the vehicle for over two years we have no understanding as to the condition, upkeep and care of the vehicle during that time period.  Regular, consistent service visits to a Mazda dealer provides an ongoing perspective of a vehicle.

      Mazda Canada is sorry this customer’s concern has not been addressed promptly.  The outcome has been determined based on the information the customer provided and the customer has been provided with Mazda Canada’s decision.

      Customer response

      21/04/2023


      Complaint: ********

      I am rejecting this response because:

      This is the most communication I have received from Mazda Canada, it should come as no surprise then that they have their facts wrong. 

      There was a third party warranty purchased with the vehicle, it was not explained properly at the time of purchase expiring well before it was expected to, and well before the New Vehicle Warranty from Mazda. As I have throughly explained in all my attempts at communication with Mazda Canada. 

      This respondent has now made it clear Mazda does not consider how far a customer needs to travel in order to have their vehicle serviced. I find it interesting they compare their daily commute to their office directly to taking their vehicle in for regular servicing. Servicing that would consume the majority of someone’s day. I too live 1 hour and 30 mins from where I work,  one of the reasons I purchased this vehicle for the easy highway commute. However, I if I had the option of attending an office closer to home i would. Similarly to having my vehicle serviced, why would I choose to drive further to spend more time and money to service my vehicle when there are closer options that are warranty approved? 

      I acknowledge that they finally answered my question, no they do not take the proximity of where someone lives when considering their use of Mazda servicing. 

      Mazda Canada has not acknowledged: 

      Is the only consideration when determining a “good faith” claim whether that vehicle is regularly serviced at a Mazda dealer? This is the only reason currently provided by Mazda Canada, which leads to the next point. 

      How would Mazda Servicing have changed the current position I am in if the part that has failed is not part of a regular service? The dealer even confirmed no servicing would have prevented this part from failing. Why did it fail if the vehicle has been used for highway commuting and regular use? 

      If Mazda is so concerned with “ With no visibility to the vehicle for over two years we have no understanding as to the condition, upkeep and care of the vehicle during that time period.  Regular, consistent service visits to a Mazda dealer provides an ongoing perspective of a vehicle.” Why has Mazda Canada not requested my vehicle be diagnosed by a Mazda dealer to get the best understanding of what is occurring before denying my claim? I have offered to provide past servicing records of the vehicle, but Mazda Canada is not interested in any facts about the vehicles condition or history. 

      What information has Mazda Canada used to determine my “good faith” decision, if I have been unable to provide any information towards my file, and they just proved they still have the facts wrong? 

      Finally I accept their apology, although I hardly believe it is sincere, regarding the length of time it took to get a decision. However, it is the fact they have been dodging, ignoring, and dismissing me that pushed me to the BBB for assistance

      Sincerely,

      ***** *******

      Business response

      26/04/2023

      Mazda Canada accepts the customer’s rejection of our response.  In the same manner that the customer is free to determine where he lives in relationship to our dealer, or where he takes his vehicle for servicing/repairs, he is indeed free to not accept our reply.

      The customer has demonstrated some understanding of the situation as he has not come to Mazda Canada seeking warranty coverage after the warranty expired, but rather a good faith coverage.  The only viable point the customer has presented in support of his request for good faith is that he lives an hour from a dealer and those are the circumstances under which his good faith request should be granted.

      Mazda Canada’s records show that this customer’s home address has not been updated or changed from when his vehicle was purchased.  If that is the case, this means the customer lived where he lives now when he purchased the vehicle.  Why the distance is now an issue we cannot answer.  Regardless, Mazda Canada does not consider how far a customer lives from a dealer.  People and vehicles move all the time, and the fact remains that neither dealers nor OEMs are required to either follow a customer or compensate a customer due to the travel times and distances.

      Not wanting to drive further than necessary for servicing is likewise a customer’s choice.  A choice this customer made without the influence of Mazda.  Yet, based on the comments made in his rejection, he is clearly identifying Mazda’s decision for not providing goodwill for a repair completed at a non-Mazda facility as simply, unacceptable.  Unacceptable that a company would put their documented warranty (which states warranty repairs must be completed at a Mazda dealer) ahead of a customer’s choice of living where they want to and servicing their vehicle where they wish.

      The servicing of a vehicle is a relationship.  An exchange of business between two parties which makes it a reciprocal relationship.  A relationship that can build into a you scratch my back and I’ll scratch yours.  This customer lives too far from a dealer to scratch the dealer’s back by servicing at the dealer.  Yet, now, he is expecting Mazda to scratch his back just because he thinks we should.  Servicing at and having repairs completed at a Mazda dealer is a factor used in determining goodwill.

      When customers come to us with similar circumstances, a factor considered is whether the work has been completed or not.  This customer has presented Mazda Canada with a receipt for work that has already been completed at a business establishment with which Mazda Canada has no relationship.  When considering goodwill Mazda Canada works directly with the dealer involved and through our combined long-term relationship, we collectively establish the outcome.  We cannot negotiate a business transaction with someone we have never dealt with nor have no form of relationship with.

      Mazda Canada does not feel we have the facts wrong.  The underlying fact is the customer is knowingly asking for something he is not entitled to with the only basis presented being how far he lives from a dealer.  Mazda Canada does not consider travel distance as justification for providing a good faith/goodwill reimbursement.

       

      Customer response

      28/04/2023


      Complaint: ********

      I am rejecting this response because:

      Mazda Canada continues to distract from the original reason I contacted them; they sold me a vehicle with a defective rear differential that no regular servicing would have prevented from breaking. They refuse to read the information I send them with the facts and details of what has happened, instead grasping at the only reason for them to not provide any assistance and supporting it with wrong facts.  

      Mazda Canada: “The customer has demonstrated some understanding of the situation as he has not come to Mazda Canada seeking warranty coverage after the warranty expired, but rather a good faith coverage.”  

      *****: I was told a good faith decision was the only option available to me, is there an option of being considered for a warranty coverage after the warranty expired, as mentioned? If so, why was that not expressed until now?

      Mazda Canada: “Yet, based on the comments made in his rejection, he is clearly identifying Mazda’s decision for not providing goodwill for a repair completed at a non-Mazda facility as simply, unacceptable.  Unacceptable that a company would put their documented warranty (which states warranty repairs must be completed at a Mazda dealer) ahead of a customer’s choice of living where they want to and servicing their vehicle where they wish.”

      “This customer has presented Mazda Canada with a receipt for work that has already been completed at a business establishment with which Mazda Canada has no relationship.  When considering goodwill Mazda Canada works directly with the dealer involved and through our combined long-term relationship, we collectively establish the outcome.  We cannot negotiate a business transaction with someone we have never dealt with nor have no form of relationship with.”

      *****: Mazda Canada continues to make false statements on wrong facts. At no time have I said that the repair has been completed for the rear differential. In all my communication and since the very first phone conversation, I have said that my mechanic diagnosed the issue. At no time have I said they repaired the issue.

      The only work done by my mechanic was replacing an axle seal, not repairing, or servicing the rear differential. The receipt mentioned above by Mazda Canada clearly states this, as does an email I received from my mechanic that was also forwarded to Mazda Canada in my original email. I have now forwarded this original email to the BBB so it may be added to the portal.

      Does Mazda Canada even understand that the part in question for this entire issue is the rear differential?

      Mazda Canada: “The servicing of a vehicle is a relationship.  An exchange of business between two parties which makes it a reciprocal relationship.  A relationship that can build into a you scratch my back and I’ll scratch yours.  This customer lives too far from a dealer to scratch the dealer’s back by servicing at the dealer.  Yet, now, he is expecting Mazda to scratch his back just because he thinks we should.  Servicing at and having repairs completed at a Mazda dealer is a factor used in determining goodwill.”

      *****: Mazda Canada has now admitted they are only committed to providing customer service and a safe quality product to customers who “scratches their back” by spending thousands more dollars of their hard-earned money above and beyond the initial purchase. I “scratched their back” by purchasing a $30,000 vehicle, a vehicle that was promised to have quality parts, but doesn’t.

      Why should I not expect Mazda Canada to provide me with assistance for a faulty part, that failed only 14 weeks past my warranty, when they proudly promote and advertise one of their key corporate values is to be “in the service of drivers?” “One of Mazda's five key values, omotenashi is the tradition of Japanese hospitality which spreads joy through kindness by putting others ahead of oneself.”

      Why should I not expect Mazda Canada to provide a “Safe,” “Quality” product when they proudly advertise and promote both as key commitments on their website as part of their “Corporate Social Responsibility?”

      I expect Mazda Canada to live up to the commitment they have made to all their customers, not just the ones who spend more, especially when the customer is sold a faulty part.

      Will Mazda Canada acknowledge that the rear differential does not require or have regular scheduled maintenance, as confirmed by their own servicing department? Their service department also admitting that the rear differential should never break, and nothing could have been done to prevent it. Leaving the only explanation, a faulty part.

      Will Mazda Canada explain why they have not made any attempt at gathering and clarifying information, or read the information sent to them thoroughly, to ensure they are making their decision based on the correct facts? As proven by their continued statements with false facts.

      Will Mazda Canada live up to the commitment they have made to me as their customer, a commitment they proudly advertised on their website as values and corporate social responsibilities?

      The fact remains, Mazda Canada has failed to provide a quality product and have done nothing but deflect the responsibility of fixing their mistake. Mazda Canada has not once acknowledged that my vehicle, the one they sold me, has a broken rear differential with the only explanation being because it is faulty.

      Mazda Canada continues to demonstrate they are not interested in providing respectful customer service, or a quality and safe product. This entire complaint and situation could have easily been avoided if Mazda Canada had a professional approach to solving customer complaints and concerns. All that was required was a phone call to respectfully discuss the problem I am experiencing with their product, a call I requested multiple times over multiple weeks. Instead, I am ignored, avoided, trivialized, and treated as an irritant.

      It is disheartening this is how Mazda Canada treats their customers and promotes their brand and company. A company that proudly promotes “Respect for People” along with the already mentioned “Quality” and “Safety” on their website as part of their “corporate social responsibility.” https://********************************************************************************  

      I am interested if the responses from Mazda are coming from anyone holding a leadership position, and are treating a customer in this manner, or if I am still only speaking to the original agent who has owned my file. Either way, Mazda Canada should be ashamed of how they have handled this entire situation and are proving to be hypocritical in their company values and commitments made to their customers. 

      Sincerely,

      ***** *******

      Business response

      08/05/2023

      Mazda Canada has reviewed the customer complaint and comments and will offer the customer an inspection of his vehicle and rear differential.  While the customer is seeking goodwill, Mazda Canada makes no commitment till our analysis of the complaint is complete.

      If the customer wishes to take Mazda Canada up on this offer, he can coordinate a service visit to his Mazda dealer where the inspection will be completed.  Mazda Canada will provide an assessment after an analysis of the findings have been reviewed.

      Customer response

      18/05/2023


      Complaint: ********

      I am rejecting this response as I see this offer  as a step in the right direction and one that should have taken place months ago, before the immediate denial of my initial claim. However, this is not a resolution to my complaint. 

      I have taken Mazda Canada up on their offer and on Tuesday May 16th my vehicle was inspected by ******* Mazda in ********. The result of that inspection was the confirmation that my vehicle requires a new rear differential and coupler. This was also confirmed by Mazda Canada after ******* Mazda sent their findings in with Technical Ticket #******. 

      ******* Mazda has now also deemed my vehicle unsafe to drive, leaving my family without a vehicle and me scrambling to find a temporary replacement. 

      I contacted Mazda Canada on Tuesday May 16th at the recommendation of ******* Mazda to try and resolve the issue quickly. However, once again I was unable to speak to anyone with control over my file, only being referred back to the BBB response. 

      I am keeping this BBB file open as it is the only way I have received any information from Mazda Canada, and I have lost all faith and hope in them to care about me as a person to try and resolve this quickly. 

      I was asked on the phone what my expectations are of Mazda Canada, at the time I was unable to answer due to the amount of frustration I was feeling. 

      My answer to what do I expect from Mazda Canada is, I expect Mazda Canada to provide me a replacement part at no cost to me and a discount on the labour to install it. 

      Once Mazda Canada has completed their “analysis of my complaint” and provides a decision, I will consider that as a resolution and close this complaint.

      Sincerely,

      ***** *******

      Business response

      24/05/2023

      Mazda Canada has worked with the customer's selling dealer and agreed to assist Mazda Canada with the repair on a 1/3, 1/3, 1/3 payment basis.  Comments from the dealer are that the customer is satisfied with this offer.  If this is acceptable to the customer he can work directly with the dealer.

      Customer response

      25/05/2023


      Better Business Bureau:

      I have reviewed the response made by the business in reference to complaint ID ********, and find that this resolution is satisfactory to me.

      I am disheartened that I needed to involve the BBB due to the lack of professional customer service by Mazda Canada. My message to Mazda Canada is simply, do better, be better. 

      I want to thank the BBB for their assistance, if they did not get involved, I would not have seen any assistance from Mazda Canada. 

      Sincerely, a once proud Mazda owner, 

      ***** *******

    • Complaint Type:
      Product Issues
      Status:
      Resolved
      End of February/early March 2022, the rear differential on my still brand new 2021 Mazda 3 Turbo suddenly broke/blew. My regular dealership didn't have any courtesy cars available, so for proximity reasons alone we went to a closer one in the area we live in. Right off the bat I was questioned by the assistant service manager if I did auto cross in the car, I said absolutely not, the car is my job, I use it to, from and for work. He heard the noise it was making, confirmed rear differential, left the car with them. The next day, we can't even get a hold of them, nobody makes a single phone call to either myself or my boyfriend or returns calls he's made, we only find out at the end of the day that they submitted to Mazda Canada I abuse the car because of outer edge wear on two tires, that I must be doing burnouts (which they can't even tell me HOW that's possible in an AWD(primarily FWD) car) and well I must be using the electronic e-brake (that has no damage to it). With a lot of useless back and forth, wasting time and me missing work we had the car towed to my regular dealership, Mazda DID pay for a new differential but had me fork out the labor cost. Fast forward to present, I had *** **** check the alignment (* **** * **** ********, as the outer edge wear seemed to be getting worse, sure enough the front was out just enough to cause it, most likely it came like this from factory, it was so slight I never would have known other than the outer edge wear, which Mazda and the other dealership leaned HEAVILY on to claim abuse. Besides the labor costs, I had to pay out of pocket to temporarily buy a beater car just to get to work, I MISSED an entire week of work because the dealership took their sweet time with literally everything, $500 just to cover insurance for the new car, nearly $800 labor, and Mazda has been ghosting me since, while others are also have rear differentials break and blow. Silence only gets you so far, I've had enough of this mistreatment.

      Business response

      16/03/2023

      Mazda Canada wishes to respond to this customer’s comments by providing the observations and actions taken by Mazda Canada in response to the customer’s Better Business Bureau’s (BBB) complaint forwarded to Mazda Canada on March 8, 2023.

      Mazda Canada acknowledges that this customer did contact us near the end of February 2022.  However, we do not agree with the claim that the customer’s vehicle was “still brand new.”  The customer’s vehicle is a 2021 Mazda3 with a Warranty Start Date of February 1, 2021, and in February of 2021 at the time of the rear differential concern, the vehicle was just over a year old and had accumulated some 33,000 kilometers.  Sorry, but a one-year-old vehicle is not “still brand new” and particularly one which has accumulated 30,000 kilometers.  When considering that the average Canadian drives 24,000 kilometers in a year, this vehicle is beyond the average annual kilometers making it even more difficult to be considered as still brand new.

      Yes, our dealer did question if the vehicle was used for auto cross.  Mazda Canada’s technical staff also raised the same question as the customer’s tires showed evidence of not just wear but of rubber deposits on the tire tread area and deposited on the right rear fender liner.  Tire rubber deposits of this nature are commonly seen when the rubber becomes heated and soft, migrating and moving across the tire tread.  Additionally, what the customer is not stating is that the vehicle was also equipped at that time with wheel spacers which move the wheels and tires outboard from the axles and spindles to provide a wider stance of the tires to the road.  A wider tire stance is a hallmark of steps taken to provide a vehicle with better stability characteristics when driving through turns.  The evidence of the tire rubber in combination with the wheel spacers was sufficient for Mazda Canada to say this was not normal day to day driving.

      The delay relative to communication was in fact due to the dealer reaching out to Mazda Canada.  No dealer wants to undertake repairs as warranty which the OEM denies and deems non-warranty, leaving the dealer holding the bag.  Warranty was denied and after collaboration with the customer Mazda Canada offered Goodwill, not warranty, in providing the part with the customer covering the cost of the labour to replace the rear differential.
      The report from *** **** does not substantiate the customer’s claims that “sure enough the front was out just enough to cause it”.  “It” being wear to the front tires is not substantiated by the wheel alignment report as provided in the BBB complaint by the customer as it clearly shows that all readings listed in the “Initial” column, meaning the starting point of the alignment readings when the vehicle was checked, are in the green range.  Green indicates that the vehicle’s alignment were within the defined specifications.  Taking the customer complaint at step further, the customer is claiming that “sure enough the front was out just enough to cause it, most likely it came from the factory,”.  Mazda Canada disputes this claim on the grounds that any vehicle driven over a period of time will see changes in the wheel alignment adjustment as the result of driving over bumps and rough surfaces.  The requirement for periodic wheel alignment inspection and adjustment is a common aspect within the auto industry and it is why many dealers of all makes have systems installed in the service department drive through lanes to undertake a cursory alignment inspection to highlight if a full alignment inspection is required.  Further to understanding the need for an alignment, Mazda, as can be found on page 6-6 & 6-7 of the customer vehicle Owner’s Manual, provides the factory recommendation that the “Front and rear suspension. Ball joints and wheel bearing axial play” be “Inspected” – meaning: “Inspect and clean, repair, adjust, fill up, or replace if necessary.”  The Inspection is recommended to take place every 24 Months or 32,000 kilometers, whichever comes first.  Knowing that the *** **** invoice shows the vehicle had 65,887 kilometers on the odometer at the time of the inspection, Mazda Canada is not accepting that this customer’s alignment concerns came from the factory.  This vehicle was at the point where the customer should have been undertaking the second alignment, not the first.  So, two years in and 65,000 kilometers Mazda Canada cannot accept the defining of this issue as being from the factory.

      Mazda Canada does not agree with the customer’s statement that we have been ghosting her.  Our internal records show that the customer last contacted Mazda Canada on May 4, 2022, and the information we could provide was provided at that time.  Mazda Canada is aware that the customer has been inquiring with their dealer who have been providing the information they have.  Mazda Canada stands by our original decision that the differential failure was not the result of a factory defect.  The part has been returned to our corporate parent company in Japan and when the result of an analysis is provided to us, Mazda Canada will respond to the customer accordingly.

      Customer response

      16/03/2023


      Complaint: ********

      I am rejecting this response because: It isn't so much about the warranty being denied or even the goodwill aspect of covering the differential, I appreciate that. It was the dealership, as from the get go we felt judged, we also felt that nobody really properly inspected the differential, that it was an easier thing for them to do to simply claim the car was abused. The melted rubber everyone saw was because the rear wheels locked up for more than 2 blocks while my boyfriend was test driving it, the rubber wasn't in the wheel wells so that should tell you enough that he wasn't going at high speed. He forgot about this at the time when ****** came to the first dealership to inspect, but we forwarded that information through **** at ***** Mazda and he said he sent everything to ******. In terms of the spacers, they were removed from the car when the differential was replaced, something I didn't ask Mazda to do or was informed that would be happening as I told ***** we could remove them ourselves (an extra $70 that didn't need to be added). I understand that this way you would know they were removed, but we also never put them back on the car, and any future services from that point could tell you if they were ever put back on, knowing this - the outer edge wear on those two tires still got worse. I do not accept day to day wear and tear because I do a lot of driving, that is my job after all, I need a car in good, working condition to be able to do that. Everyone at work would tell you I baby this car, I treat it with respect, it's gotten me to and from work for the past 2 years with no problems besides the differential issue. Missing a week of work really hurt by (in my opinion) an assumption of abuse with no real evidence besides the outer edge tire wear. I have done every single service I've needed to, nobody had any concerns of the alignment being off or it needing to be done, so whether or not this is already in the manual - nobody had any concerns about it, or recommended that I even get it checked. Until Japan concludes their analysis and I am informed, I will not accept this response, you cannot claim day to day driving or abuse for what happened with such little evidence, re: judged by dealership because both myself and my boyfriend look young. Maybe that's not what happened, but that's how we have felt since.

      Sincerely,

      ***** ********

      Business response

      27/03/2023

      Mazda Canada has reviewed this customer's concern in detail and have reached out to them directly in an effort to resolve their concern.

      Customer response

      06/04/2023


      Better Business Bureau:

      I have reviewed the response made by the business in reference to complaint ID ********, and find that this resolution is satisfactory to me.

      Also I don't know what they found in a deeper investigation, if anything at all, but I hope they're now aware of just how we were treated initially at **** *****. I don't think it's very fair to be judged so quickly, and have them not take my word for it when time and time again I told them I don't use the car for anything else besides work and very slim personal use on my days off. *** *** * ***** ***** **** ***** *** ****** *** ***** **** ** **** ******* ** **** ********** *********** *** **** **** *** *** ******* ******* *********** ** ******** **** ** ********* **** ***** **** ********** ** **** ** ********* *** ****** *** **** ** ***** ***** ** ******** ******** ** ******** *** **** ******* ** ** ** ** ***** **** ******This does not reflect how I feel toward Mazda Canada of course, but hopefully someone has been made aware.

      While I'm very unimpressed by that dealership, and won't be returning to ever again, I appreciate Mazda Canada even looking into everything further and offering the service credit in the amount of labor I initially paid for the rear differential to be replaced, not what I was originally after but in the long run it does help me out a lot!

      Sincerely,

      ***** ********

    • Complaint Type:
      Service or Repair Issues
      Status:
      Answered

      I am an owner of a 2016 Mazda cx-9. This week the engine started leaking coolant from behind the engine. The leak is from a cracked cylinder head. This is a a manufacturer defect. Mazda knows about it, they have a service bulletin on it, but once you are out of warranty you are on your own. This is happening to all 2.5L turbo engines. My local dealer has already fixed two, one 2020 model and 2021. This is a bad design, mazda knows it but they refuse to make this a recall. So if you are out of warranty you are stuck with about $6000 bill. At least they should offer to pay for the parts.

      *****************

      Customer response

      26/02/2023

      *****************

      Business response

      09/03/2023

      Mazda Canada had the opportunity to converse with the customer via telephone today.

      A couple of items we wish to bring to light:

      - Vehicle has never been to a Mazda Canada dealer for the opportunity to diagnose the vehicle
      - Vehicle is a US vehicle
      - Vehicle has a Salvage tag and has been rebuilt by someone unknown to Mazda Canada
      - Vehicle has never been inspected by a Mazda dealer for the concern in question
      - Customer found a TSB on line
      - TSBs are not declarations of warranty or goodwill coverage
      - TSBs provide technical information directed toward technicians for repair purposes

      During conversation with the customer, **** advised the vehicle currently resides at this third party mechanic shop where it has completed an in depth diagnostics by removal of said engine. As per customer, would not be feasible to put the vehicle back together, brought to a Mazda dealer and to be diagnosed.  Mazda Canada offered that in the event of a trade in for a new vehicle after repairs, Mazda Canada would assist with regards to discount on a newer Mazda vehicle, which the customer declined.

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