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    • Complaint Type:
      Service or Repair Issues
      Status:
      Answered
      I got a call from Worldwide Vacations saying that I had purchased a package for multiple vacations in 2019 and that package was expiring. I forgot that I had also been contacted back in August 2023 and told the same thing. At that time, I paid $528.99 to keep the package from expiring. As I look at the paperwork that they just sent, it has a sentence about your package is good for -months, but theres no number in the space for months. I found the previous confirmation notice from last year and it said the same thing. Its apparent that they sell these packages and then prey on people to pay renewal fees for nothing. I was unable to take the vacations due to an accident that caused paralysis and I explained that to them. They said theyd give me 5 years to take them if I extended. In retrospect, I never needed to buy an extension on the packages and I suspect all of this is one big scam. The extension this time cost $328.99. Ive also been charged $19.99 per month for a concierge service Ive never used and cant figure out how to cancel.

      Business response

      05/15/2024

      We apologize for any inconvenience. We are updating your package and we will resend the email confirmation to reflect the 5 years to travel. Please let me know if you need further assistance.
    • Complaint Type:
      Sales and Advertising Issues
      Status:
      Answered
      I was going to go to ************* and ****** forgot to schedule my visit I called closed to the departure date and they had no idea about what was done, they been holding my money and she tries very hard to get money for them along with manager ************** tried to book a trip to ***** since if they get everything wrong again I might be able to check in near by and enjoy the trip. They also do not want me to have a document showing my balance

      Business response

      05/16/2024

      We apologize for any inconvenience, I show that the reservation was not booked because ****************** did not send back her signed terms and conditions. I am attaching a copy of the email thread, ****************** replied to the email so we know she was in receipt of it. We reached out to her to have her send in the information and were unable to reach her. She does have a credit on her account and she can use it to rebook this stay or one of the other stays in her package.

       


      World Wide Vacations Reservations <*****************************************> Mon, Jan 29, 2024 at 3:42 PM
      To: *****************

      Hello *****,



      Attached is a form that ALL GUESTS will need to read thru and sign. The signatures cannot be computer generated; meaning, you must print out the form and physically sign the document. 


      You will also need to send a copy of both adult's State Issued ID's (Not Passports) along with a photocopy of 1 major credit card showing just the last 4 digits. 



      Please scan and email all requested documents back to this email address ******************************************* or you may fax all documents to ************. Please be sure to lighten your Id's so that when they come through the fax they are legible. You may also take a photograph of your IDs with your smart phone and email them to me that way. 


      We are not able to submit your reservation until all required documents are received. If you have any questions, please contact me at ************** or you may email me.


      -- 
      Best Regards,

      World Wide Vacations
      Reservations Department
      (O) **************
      (F) ************


      World Wide Vacations is NOT affiliated with any other company, we will not contact you to purchase or sell your vacations, beware of scams. This e-mail may contain data that is confidential, proprietary or "nonpublic personal information," as that term is defined in the ********************************** Act (collectively, "Confidential Information"). The Confidential Information is disclosed conditioned upon your agreement that you will treat it confidentially and in accordance with applicable law, ensure that such data isn't used or disclosed except for the limited purpose for which it's being provided and will notify and cooperate with us regarding any requested or unauthorized disclosure or use of any Confidential Information. By accepting and reviewing the Confidential Information you agree to indemnify us against any losses or expenses, including attorney's fees that we may incur as a result of any unauthorized use or disclosure of this data due to your acts or omissions. If a party other than the intended recipient receives this e-mail, you are requested to instantly notify us of the erroneous delivery and return to us all data so delivered.

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      ***********************;<*****************> Mon, Jan 29, 2024 at 3:47 PM
      To: World Wide Vacations Reservations <*****************************************>
      Hi, can you send me the receipt for my payment ? 
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    • Complaint Type:
      Product Issues
      Status:
      Answered
      The business took a deposit from me for a vacation and never provided the service for booking a vacation . Initially took 985 and additionally $250 deposits all in deposit was made in April 2024. The $985 made in 2022 November

      Business response

      05/16/2024

      We apologize for any inconvenience. ********************** reservation was booked and confirmed, please see attached reservation confirmation.
    • Complaint Type:
      Product Issues
      Status:
      Answered
      On 3/14/2024 World Wide Vacations called to sell me a lifetime no expiration travel package. I told the person calling that I thought I already had purchased that and he told me no I didn't. I purchased this and yes I did already buy that. When I called them to discuss my problem and cancel everything I was told for days that the manager was supposed to call me and he never did. Now they will not even answer when I call them, they also never sent the package details via email like they said they would. They also do not give you all the details about the vacation package when they call you. Then you find out that they lied and can't file a dispute with the credit card company because it was 3 weeks and they only allow 2 weeks. Must be why World Wide Vacations takes weeks before they send you anything. Definitely a scam of a company and when they call you hang up.

      Business response

      05/02/2024

      We apologize for any inconvenience. I have pulled up the package you purchased in 2019, the package was good for 5 years and you would just pay $99 per year per location to use them after the expiration date. The upgraded package you bought waived the $99 fee, as well as you received serval additional locations. I have check our records and we see one call made after hours, in which we followed up the next day and the voice mail was full. If you would like to speak with an agent please let us know and I will have one reach out to you. We look forward to hearing from you.

      Business response

      05/02/2024

      Date Sent: 5/2/2024 1:57:16 PM
      We apologize for any inconvenience. I have pulled up the package you purchased in 2019, the package was good for 5 years and you would just pay $99 per year per location to use them after the expiration date. The upgraded package you bought waived the $99 fee, as well as you received serval additional locations. I have check our records and we see one call made after hours, in which we followed up the next day and the voice mail was full. If you would like to speak with an agent please let us know and I will have one reach out to you. We look forward to hearing from you.

      Customer response

      05/03/2024

      He is not being truthful. I have my phone records and I have called 11 times since 4/3/24 and have still not talked to ***** yet. For 1 week they would not even answer the phone when I called. I finally got ahold of someone on 4/30/2024 and was told ***** would call me the next day and 2 days later still no phone call. Also my voicemail is not full by any means. My phone shows when I have a missed call. So far my experience with them has been nothing but lies and shady practices. Thank you

       

       

       

       

      Customer response

      05/06/2024

      Date Sent: 5/3/2024 2:47:21 AM

      He is not being truthful. I have my phone records and I have called 11 times since 4/3/24 and have still not talked to ***** yet. For 1 week they would not even answer the phone when I called. I finally got ahold of someone on 4/30/2024 and was told ***** would call me the next day and 2 days later still no phone call. Also my voicemail is not full by any means. My phone shows when I have a missed call. So far my experience with them has been nothing but lies and shady practices. Thank you

      Business response

      05/16/2024

      We apologize for any inconvenience. ******************** purchased and upgraded package, we have not been deceitful in any way. ***** has been on a leave and will return on Monday. We will make sure he reaches out to address and discrepancies you might have.
    • Complaint Type:
      Product Issues
      Status:
      Answered
      I paid for a vacation package through World Wide Vacations. Here are the details:1. Called to book on 11/7/2023.2. Paid $1793 which included a $100 reduction for booking that day.3. Was told the reservation was approved and that I would get an itinerary about 14 days ahead of our trip, 3/27-4/1.4. I never received the itinerary so I called, 3/22, and found out that we had no reservation. 5. I booked flights after confirming dates, requested time off and travelled during our kids spring break. 6. I was told I would have to push my travel dates, and there was nothing else that could be done. 7. I had to book a resort through booking.com 8. I have been told they would give me a credit, but I have requested a full refund. 9. I was told to email ******* to request a refund in customer service which I have done 2 times with no response.

      Business response

      05/16/2024

      We apologize for any inconvenience. We state during the reservation process that if the reservation is canceled for any reason the funds paid would be credited to the clients account to use for a later date. I am including the email that was sent on the date of booking that states that the reservation in not confirmed. ***************** has a credit when ever he is ready to rebook a stay.

       



      Dear *********;*******,
      Thank you for choosing World Wide Vacations, LLC. We are excited to see you start traveling with our company and hope you enjoy your stay.

      THIS IS NOT A CONFIRMATION!

      Please remember your reservation is not confirmed until you receive a written confirmation with the location, hotel name, and your dates of travel. If you have not received your written confirmation within approximately 7-10 business days for your domestic stays or 3 months prior to your arrival date for International stays, please contact us immediately at **************.

      Keep in mind, some locations vary on when they are confirmed, so if an agent advised you differently, contact us if you have not received your written confirmation within the disclosed timeframe at **************; we also advise you not to purchase any airfare until you have received your reservation confirmation. If traveling internationally please be advised you must have a VALID U.S. or Canadian passport. 

      If you need to make any changes or cancel your reservation you must do so in the amount of days prior to check in disclosed at booking to avoid a penalty. Keep in mind, any fees paid at booking will remain as a credit on your account if changes or cancelation is made, you will NOT lose them as they will be transferred to your new dates or towards one of your other vacations in your package. 

      Listening to our client's comments and feedback is our top priority so we can continue traveling thousands of clients per year!

      While you are on your trip, you will receive a text message to the phone number provided with a link to our video testimonial page. We would love for you to take a few moments to tell other customers what great customer service you received from ********************, how you are enjoying your trip, and show off the resort and destination!

      Looking for flights? Visit Cheap O Air for airfare discounts.

      Let us know if you have any questions or concerns.

      Again, and as always, thank you for choosing World Wide Vacations, LLC and have a wonderful day!

      Reservations is available Monday through Friday 10 am to 7 pm EST, and customer service is available Monday through Friday 10 am to 6 pm EST.


    • Complaint Type:
      Order Issues
      Status:
      Answered
      On July 14, 2022 I paid $608.99 for a 4 night stay at Villa Del Palmar Resort in ****** with our agreement to listen to a 90 minute or more Timeshare presentation. It was ****** per person for my husband and I plus a $100.00 resort fee each totaling $608.99. I paid that amount that same day and have two years to use the vacation. He also offered us to go to ********** for 4 nights with a different resort and told me that if we wanted to do that we could pay the additional $******/per person plus the resort fee but there was no commitment on our end at that time. Today, I called to book the ****** trip and they wanted to charge me the additional $****** per person fee plus the resort fee and when I told them it had been paid they disagreed. How disappointing. I am going to hire a lawyer. If they went back and listened to the recorded sales pitch and phone conversation that we had on 7/14/22, it was clear to what was agreed upon and what I paid for, there would be no confusion. I would like to either be reimbursed the $608.99 that I paid or be given the trip that I was told that we would get for the $608.99.

      Business response

      02/05/2024

      We apologize for any inconvenience. The email confirmation sent to *************** states what she will be responsible for at the time of booking. I am attaching a copy and I have highlighted the terms and conditions in which she signed agreeing to. Please let me know if you need any further information.
    • Complaint Type:
      Customer Service Issues
      Status:
      Answered
      I purchased a package three years ago. It was going to expire. I had a $249 credit. I purchased another package for $208. I was trying to book ***********. I had to pay for an additional day for $189. The trip I tried to book. You have to book through Monster. I have been trying to book for three weeks. I had to cancel the original trip, because I couldn&#**;t get off work. I booked it for 4/27/2024- 5/1/24. Their reservation was only for four days; I paid the $189 for the additional day. I booked the flight after they said it was a good reservation. Now they are telling me I booked it for a different day then when I actually purchased it. Now they are telling me the reservation will not come in until 10 business days before the trip. They took my money, but they won&#**;t give me my confirmation. I don&#**;t want to do business with them. This was the first time I actually booked a trip with them. They told me I will get an email, but I have not received it yet. I did get my email for my second package that I purchased.

      Business response

      02/13/2024

      We apologize for any inconvenience. ************ was told that she would be confirmed through our vendor at *************************. I do show that the reservation is still pending, I have reached out to a manager there to see if we can get the confirmation expedited. Please let us know if you would like to cancel the reservation, if so the $189 you paid would be a credit on your account to book a future reservation. 
    • Complaint Type:
      Sales and Advertising Issues
      Status:
      Answered
      On Nov 21st 2023 I contacted worldwide vacation ** to book Christmas dates for a timeshare vacation packet. My reservation was made and I was advised I would be contacted in 48 hours. After 2 weeks I was provided the confirmation line to confirm my reservation which could not be completed as I had tour the previous year. I contact worldwide and apoje to management whom claims the issue would be reviewed. After many attempts my reservation could not be upheld and dates where available as of dec1st for the dates Dec 22nd to Dec 26th. I requested a refund on the facts I was not informed the same hotel I had been to was in fact the same they had booked me. Which I found odd as they are the same company for the vacation packet taken. How was this not seen by any of the agents. They misrepresented my ability to travel to obtain payment and are refusing a refund of the payment made for this trip in the amount of $873. At no point during the call was I informed that I had been to this resort which I did not recall due to the hotel name change. The company was fully aware that this reservation could not be completed and under false presence proceeded with fake booking,took my funds a manager ******************************* claimed there is no contact person above her, and no one else in the company that could address my concern I requested and email which was provided and never responded to. They claim q credit could be ussued for future travel would be provided I advised after the deceptive practices I am requesting a refund of the payment made on Nov 21st to which they refused. This company had no intentions on providing the services they charged me for as per their own company and affiliate policies

      Business response

      01/22/2024

      We apologize for any inconvenience. *************** made a reservation, she was not truthful when asked the qualifying questions to go to the specific location. The reservation was canceled because she already toured the property. When she booked the reservation she was told that "if for any reason the reservation is canceled, any fees paid today would not be refunded however you would not lose them, they will stay on your account as a credit to rebook another location." It was also emailed to her when she booked the reservation. I am attaching the email that was sent to her as well. When she is ready to book another reservation she can use the credit. 

      Customer response

      01/22/2024

       
      Complaint: 20946418

      I am rejecting this response because:

      I was not advised the name of the property I had toured was changed and was the same property toured. Worldwide vactions booked my reservation on the 1st tour and should have informed me that the property was already toured under a different hotel name which I want not made aware if until weeks after the booking, prior to taking payment this should have been disclosed and it was not property. I requested a copy of the recording of the call and it was denied. I was not advised of any of this until ****** after my booking which is why the 2nd email is not actually address to my email another fraudulent attempt to keep my funds. The document the company has provided to you stated no refund on canceled reservations bit I never had a reservation accordingly as per thier response to the bbb as I had toured the property. Payment was taken with no intention of providing the service and no attempts to correct this matter was made. I do not wish to do business with a company that has already defraude me. Provide the recording I have asked for and it will show in the recording I *********************** had no knowledge of what the company claims. But they again took payment under false pretences as both reservations where made with thier office. Again I am requesting a full refund of that reservation and no longer wish to do business with ***** office. All other vacations I have available I do not wish to use and solely request the refund of the December 2023 reservation.

      Sincerely,

      ***********************

      Business response

      01/23/2024

      We again apologize for any inconvenience. We have not defrauded anyone in this matter. ************** was given all the information upfront. She was asked if she toured the property and she stated no, however she did. We have other properties that she is able to use her funds towards. She has traveled with us before and is privy to the reservation process. When she is ready to travel the funds will be used towards any future reservations. 

      Customer response

      01/23/2024

      The company is stating I have toured the property but at no time advised the property previously toured was renamed in a good faith attempt to advise this matter until weeks after my payment had been taken. This information should have been disclosed at the time of the booking and was with held. Leaving me with the false impresin I was going to a different resort. I am now employed with Marriott Vacations Club and am no longer eligible to qualify under the program and have also advised this to the company. Again the booking was done with worldwide vacations withholding important information that should have been disclosed at the time of booking. Again I request a refund of the payment

      Business response

      01/26/2024

      We again apologize for any inconvenience. ************** was asked if she toured the same property, although she was staying at the Sports Illustrated, she was still touring the *************. She was asked and again gave false information. ************** did email us yesterday in regards to her employment with ********, we responded to her email that she is still able to use the package. When ever she would like to book a reservation, she can call and do so. 

      Customer response

      01/29/2024

      Please be advised after responding to BBB worldwide vacations has no intention of providing me a credit on the file and are delaying use to add additional charges of 99 they are implementing. Again attached is proof they have no credit on file for me.

      Business response

      01/30/2024

      Date Sent: 1/26/2024 9:02:18 AM
      We again apologize for any inconvenience. ************** was asked if she toured the same property, although she was staying at the Sports Illustrated, she was still touring the *************. She was asked and again gave false information. ************** did email us yesterday in regards to her employment with ********, we responded to her email that she is still able to use the package. When ever she would like to book a reservation, she can call and do so. 

      Customer response

      01/30/2024

       
      Complaint: 20946418

      I am rejecting this response because:Date Sent: 1/29/2024 11:54:12 AM
      Please be advised after responding to BBB worldwide vacations has no intention of providing me a credit on the file and are delaying use to add additional charges of 99 they are implementing. Again attached is proof they have no credit on file for me.

      Sincerely,

      ***********************

      Business response

      01/30/2024

      We apologize again for the inconvenience. *************** disputed the charges with her credit card company, if you read the email we are just waiting on the final dispute decision. Once they rule in our favor we will credit her account for immediate use of funds. Please let us know if you need further information.

      Customer response

      01/30/2024

       
      Complaint: 20946418

      I am rejecting this response because in December I was denied use which is what triggered reporting to the bbb and my card. The company was informed of tgis complaint as well as the charge back for not allowing me to travel all done on the same dated. Worldwide then sent BBB notice I have a credit to be used which clearly stated can not be used which will cause the package to expire and unsure further charges in the amount of 99 due to the company not allowing travel as previously indicated to BBB. I am requesting a refund as the company again is not allowing travel after notice to BBB as well as my bank that I have a credit which clearly does not exist and I am un able to use since December the time of payment for my travel location of ******************. The company has also denied any alternative resorts for ****************** which was the location Paid for. I understand I can not travel to a previously toured location but I must travel in the same country as until my complaint no notification was provided as to my paid location has no alternative resort. Again I paid for 1 thing and they are not providing the service over 60 days since full payment was made. Again I request a full refund if I can not travel to my home country as what this payment was intended for where I paid for sports illustrated which I had no idea was actually ancora a resort I toured 2 years ago with thiwr company on this ver same package. So I still don't know how I was not told by worldwide vacations I had already t9urs ancora which is now sports illustrated before they charged my card and weeks later say its none refundable and I am unable to travel this has all been misleading information by worldwide vaction in oder to collect payment and not deliver on the vacation paid for in at least the same country I intended payment to be for. Please see attached locations that where send for a credit I do not have in order to travel during the time frame of at least close to what I paid for.

      Sincerely,

      ***********************

      Business response

      01/31/2024

      As stated in our previous response, *************** gave false information in regards to her ****************** stay. We told her that she would have a credit on her account to rebook a location in her package. Although she was told during the reservation process as well as through email that she would have a credit, she contacted her credit card company to dispute the charges. Being that she has a open dispute, we have to wait until it is finalized to credit her account fully. We can not credit her account and have a open dispute at the same time. We asked *************** if she tour or owned with the resort and she stated no, that is the only reason we continued with the reservation process. Even though the properties are different the touring company is the same. We again had every intention of traveling *************** and had she gave us the correct information she would have been confirmed. ******************************* is the Operation Manager and handles all aspects of the company. Every email that *************** has written has been responded to, I am attaching the email thread. Again, as soon as the dispute process is completed and in our favor we will place the credit on her account for immediate use. Please let me know if you need any further information.

      Customer response

      02/01/2024

       
      Complaint: 20946418

      I am rejecting this response because:

      I do not wish to do business with company and request a full refund. The company was aware of my tour as they had booked it under a different hotel name which I was unawarr of but they completed both booking so they where are at the time the fraudulent payment was taken in November 2023

      Sincerely,

      ***********************

      Business response

      05/16/2024

      *************** will have a credit on her account to rebook a reservation on her package. 

      Customer response

      05/16/2024

       
      Complaint: 20946418

      I am rejecting this response because: It has been 6 months since the issue already and the company has now eliminated the only location I wish to travel which is ****************** which is where and why I paid for the trip. I do not wish to go to the resort they where sending me to which I did not like and did not want to go to I wish to travel to ******************* which I have never been as was the initial location I wanted to go to which is one of their destinations allowed to travel in my packet, which is one of the options or have a refund of my funds. Also this 6 month delay is taking away from the amount of time I paid additional funds for in order to travel. Will they be extending the time to travel the amount of time they have not allowed the credit to be placed on my account to travel if not again I am requesting my refund. This information again is on the recording in which I wanted Serenade ********** and the vacation advisor is the one whom advised or sports illustrated which again I was unaware was the same resort I had traveled to which I despised. As I left the trip early went to ********* and purchased legacy vacation club membership there as I truley was seeking a vacation membership not just trying to get a cheap vacation. Since then this has been a horrible experience with Worldwide Vacation.

       

      From: World Wide Vacations <********************************************>
      Sent: Monday, April 1, 2024 3:12:09 PM
      To: ******************* <**********************>
      Cc: ************************************** <**************************************>
      Subject: Re: BBB Complaint - package WWV70397

      The account is in good standing. As for the dispute, this process can take upto 6 months. We will notify you when it is finalized. You are more than welcome to book a reservation, you would just have to pay for the new reservation in certified funds. Please let us know if you have any questions.


      Best Regards,
      World Wide Vacations
      Customer Service
      ************** 

      Sincerely,

      ***********************

      Business response

      05/20/2024

      We again apologized for any inconvenience, we have never offered Serenade **********, being that the client has already toured with the Ancora Cap Cana/Sports Illustrated ************** can switch it out for another property we offer in the ******************. She can contact our reservations department to get a list of properties we offer there. She can use her credit to rebook the stay. Also, on the recording the day *************** booked the initial stay, she was asked if she ever toured or owned with Ancora Cap Cana or the Sports Illustrated in which she answered NO. Had she answered the question honestly we could have moved her to another property being that she was traveling with a short notice. 
    • Complaint Type:
      Customer Service Issues
      Status:
      Answered
      Hello I purchased a vacation package from WW Vacations a few years ago which I never used. Then in March of 2020 I received a call stating I could get an upgrade on my vacation package which would be good for 36 mos. I received a call today, April 26, 2022 stating my package would expire this coming Friday and that I could pay an amount to upgrade. I questioned why the package would expire this Friday, 4/29/22 if my extension was for 36 mos. The explanation given was totally unaccepted for it was not something told to me when I initially paid for the upgrade. I have read through other complaints against this company and see many are similar to my complaint. If multiple individuals have similar complaints it would appear that the company is misleading, whether intentionally or unintentionally, and changes are needed to secure proper representation.

      Business response

      05/26/2022

      Business Response /* (1000, 5, 2022/04/28) */ We apologize for any inconvenience, I do show your package is good for 36 months. If you are contacted again please tell them to reach out to the customer service department.
    • Complaint Type:
      Customer Service Issues
      Status:
      Resolved
      I was contacted by a sales "manager" named Bryan ******** who works for World Wide Vacations LLC. He said my vacation package had expired and that he could renew my package to a lifetime with added bonuses. I told him I was pretty sure that I had already purchased the lifetime extension package. He said "no, I am looking at your package right now and you did not." So, I agreed to purchase this lifetime extension package for $1800. I agreed to the term & conditions. After I hung up with him and the other rep who verified my purchase, I went through my old emails & found the email from my last purchase which was sent to me upon my previous purchase. It specifically stated that I in fact DID purchase the lifetime extension package. I called to ask for my money back and was told that I was sold the PLATINUM lifetime extension package. I disagreed and asked for my money back and was told I could get $500 back only. To this date I have not received a refund. Not even the $500 they promised.

      Business response

      11/11/2021

      Business Response /* (1000, 8, 2021/10/14) */ We apologize for the inconvenience. I show on the email thread that Mrs. ********* did not agree to the $500 refund and we were waiting on a response from her attorneys office. That was the last email we received from Mrs. *********. If she is willing to accept the partial refund please contact our customer service department at 877-724-5985. Consumer Response /* (3000, 10, 2021/10/15) */ (The consumer indicated he/she DID NOT accept the response from the business.) They resold me a package that I already had purchased for $1800.00 I do not want to pay twice for something I already have. I would like my previous package to be reinstated and a full refund of $1800.00 for the double charge. Also, I did contact the office recently and asked where the $500 refund they offered me was and they stated that I was no longer eligible for it because it had been over a year. See attached email. If they refuse, I would like a copy of the audio file recording in which they claim they offered me a "PLATINUM Lifetime package" Business Response /* (4000, 22, 2021/11/01) */ We apologize for the inconvenience and miscommunication. Mrs. ********* did not double pay for the same package. After speaking with the owners, we will extended the $500 refund offer as previously stated. Consumer Response /* (2000, 24, 2021/11/01) */ I contacted World Wide Vacations and accepted the $500 refund. I'd rather get $500 than nothing. I will update once the refund is received.

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