ComplaintsforBlack Market Arms

• Initial Complaint

  04/01/2024

  Complaint Type:

  Product Issues

  Status:

  Unanswered

  More info

  Purchased defective firearm from BMA After the sale service and help is non existent with this company.They have no intention on helping you other than to say Sorryyoull need to deal direct with the manufacturerRude, uninterested, negligent 3 words to best describe BMA

• Initial Complaint

  03/20/2024

  Complaint Type:

  Product Issues

  Status:

  Unanswered

  More info

  This has been going on for nearly 3 weeks.Ordered item.Received wrong item & returned promptly.Have not received replacement.Called customer service (******) & got hung up on.

• Initial Complaint

  10/25/2023

  Complaint Type:

  Product Issues

  Status:

  Answered

  More info

  Ordered a beretta a300 ultima patrol 7+1. This model has the magazine tube which is flush with the barrel. Picture shows 7+1 model. Description says 7+1. Item sent, was the 5+1. When contacted, the lady on the phone even acknowledged they sent the 5+1 when it should have been the 7+1. Should couldnt process any return (they wont do exchanges) until her boss or executive team approved it. She stated once the firearm was received they would process a refund and I would have to order it again from a different listing. A few hours later, I received and email saying that because the description says both ********* I could return the shotgun, (which I didnt even take possession of yet. Still at ffl) but would have to pay a 20% restocking fee. The shotgun doesnt even hold 7+1 rounds like the description says! I would them to send the correct firearm to my ffl. Once received, the ffl will ship other one back.

  Business response

  11/15/2023

  To whom it may concern,
  ******************* purchased a semi auto shotgun from Black Market Arms through a third party website, gunbroker.com.
  In the listing that he purchased from, there was a discrepancy in the shotgun shell capacity. In one space it stated 7+1 and in another it stated 5+1. (7 shells loaded with one in the chamber / 5 shells loaded with one in the chamber). Black Market Arms uses manufacturer and distributor descriptions that are uploaded with product information. Sometimes,there are discrepancies and / or mistakes. Due to this, Black Market Arms places several disclaimers in every listing to ensure customers are aware that this could be an issue. These can be seen attached.
  

  
  **************** attempted to cancel his order prior to even receiving the firearm, stating he hadnt fully read the description.
  
  When **************** was informed the order could not be altered,he again asked if he could cancel the order and just purchase the one, he actually wanted. **************** knew, that per our terms, that this exchange would result in restocking fees and decided to have the order shipped anyways.Possibly also noticing the discrepancy and expecting to get a return without restock fees.
  He was never told that this would be an option for him as he states in his complaint. It was an idea that he had regarding the color of the firearm, not what customer service told him would happen regarding the capacity issue. Additionally, he was not sent the incorrect firearm. He received the correct firearm with the correct sku and UPC. The description did have a discrepancy. He was not told he received the incorrect model, as this model does not come in 7+1 capacity.
  Customer service notified management of the issue after have the customer fill out an ***. The *** is used for management to review the order, the complaint, and come up with a solution. Black Market Arms came up with a solution for **************** which we found to be very fair, he could send the firearm back and avoid restocking fees but he would need to pay to have it shipped back. Within 4 hours **************** responded that he had already sold the firearm to the receiving firearm dealer at a $180.00 loss, instead of waiting for Black Market Arms to let him know what could be done. He then wanted Black Market Arms to pay the difference for the loss and the firearm he purchased from someone else. This was not negotiated with Black Market Arms in advance and was the first he mentioned anything about doing such a thing. This interaction is in complete contradiction of Mr. ******* complaint where he states he was told there would be a 20% restocking fee. Proof of this email exchange can be seen attached.
  
  
  Black Market Arms does acknowledge that feeding distributor and manufacturer descriptions that potentially have discrepancies can be an unpleasant experience for customers. Due to it being best for the customer and best for the business, we are constantly working on ways to avoid these issues,optimize listings, and ensure accurate data is imported. The few times this does happen, each case is looked at independently, to determine the fairest way to handle it and offer solutions to the customer and come to an agreement. This was unable to happen due to the customer selling the firearm.
  
  Additionally, in his complaint, **************** is requesting we send him a different model and the person he sold the firearm to will send back the other. Due to this being a firearm, multiple exchanges and transfers of the firearm, and our inability to know what has been done to that firearm, we simply cannot send a new firearm and expect someone who he sold the original one to, to send it back and have confidence that is safe and untampered with.If **************** sold the firearm and exchanged it for the one he says he wanted,we would question why he would need the firearm sent again at all.
  Mr. ******* complaint consist of discrepancies as well and Black Market Arms is still questioning if his intent was to just get a different firearm because he failed to read the description without having to pay restocking fees.
  Had he waited for BMA to offer the solutions to him and not sold the firearm, we would be happy to continue to work with him to make the customer happy. Unfortunately, that changed once he sold the firearm.

• Initial Complaint

  07/08/2023

  Complaint Type:

  Product Issues

  Status:

  Resolved

  More info

  Sale Date - 06/30/23 Purchased a black powder revolver from BlackMarketArms via the Gunbroker.com website. The seller used a misleading stock photo of a revolver and an incomplete title to misrepresent what was being sold. Stock photo clearly shows a steel framed revolver. Title is as follows, "Pietta RGBSH44 **** Rem ***** Sheriff 44 Cal 6 Shot **** Blued..." I made the order under the false impression that I was receiving a steel framed black powder revolver; what I received instead was a brass framed revolver.This is not a minor difference! The two frames tolerate very different powder usage. A brass frame revolver is unsafe when using the same charge and type of powder as a steel framed revolver. As this is a black powder revolver, there is no requirement to ship through Federal Firearm Licensed dealer. The revolver arrived at my home address and it was only then i realized I received the incorrect revolver.I contacted the seller to inform them of the mistake and asked for a refund. I received a response requesting photos of the firearm and upc and was asked if I had accepted the item or if it was still at the **** If this was a modern firearm I could have simply refused the gun and had it returned, but because it is a black powder replica my only recourse is to ask the seller directly to refund. After sending the pictures and informing them there was no FFL requirement, they stopped all communication.I am now stuck with a revolver that I do not feel safe using for my intended purpose. Their return policy states that stock photo may show minor changes, but the explosive tolerance between a brass frame and steel is not a cosmetic issue but a safety issue.

  Business response

  07/31/2023

  This request was not ignored. Black Market Arms Staff was first contacted on 7/7 and requested additional information from the customer on that same day, which was a Friday. Black Market Arms is closed on the weekends. Communication did not stop, business closed for the weekend and opened back up on the 10th. A day after this complaint was filed. The customers refund request was approved and the customer has since been refunded.

  Customer response

  08/01/2023

  Better Business Bureau:
  
  I have reviewed the response made by the business in reference to complaint ID ********, and find that this resolution is satisfactory to me.
  
  Sincerely,
  
  ***************************

• Initial Complaint

  04/18/2023

  Complaint Type:

  Sales and Advertising Issues

  Status:

  Answered

  More info

  I purchased two 1911 magazines that Black Market Arms listed on gunbroker.com. I purchased these items because though they did not specify, they made it seem like it was a certain brand that I wanted (colt brand). I paid $51.30 after taxes and shipping costs. When I received the items, they were a brand I do not like (ProMag). No where in the listing did they advise that they were ProMag brand. I had a lot of hoops to jump through just to get the items returned. The company advised there would be a 20% restocking fee. I returned the items which were unadulterated and only received a refund of $21.45. I emailed the company asking why they gave me such a small refund. They said “All returns are subject to a 20% restocking fee and return shipping charges. Shipping and fees are nonrefundable.”. I was NEVER told I would have to pay return shipping cost. I would like to be refunded the tax amount and return shipping cost. I just feel this is a poor way to do business especially since they basically falsely advertised the item in the first place.

  Business response

  04/18/2023

  The listing did not state the brand that the magazines were, it did state that they were replacement mags for the Colt 1911. We have a very basic return policy on every listing including the one this customer purchased from. First and foremost, we sell "as is - non refundable" and that we do not accept returns unless we made a mistake. However, in the event that we do decide to approve a return, it states returns are subject to 20% restocking fees, shipping is non refundable, and if a label is sent for the return of the item, the customer is also responsible for the cost of the label. The customer had to click through multiple confirmations stating they understood the terms and that all sales are final, and the return policy was directly on the listing he purchased from. The customer purchased the promag magazines, priced lower than most all other competitors. He was notified that should he wish to return the item, he would be refunded per the terms set forth in our policies. BMA was transparent and upfront from beginning to end. Due to this situation we are looking into solutions to ensure customer do not become confused on our products in the future.

• Initial Complaint

  03/14/2023

  Complaint Type:

  Delivery Issues

  Status:

  Answered

  More info

  On 2/27/2023 I ordered a ******* ****** *** *******" double-barrel shotgun from B**** ****** ***s through the ********* site. When I received the firearm, it was the standard "***** **** which is a different and less expensive model than what was advertised. I contacted B**** ****** ***s immediately via E-mail but they have repeatedly refused to accept a return on the incorrect item.

  Business response

  03/29/2023

  There was a discrepancy in the title of the listing where the customer purchased this item. It stated ********* when it should not have. However, the listing never claimed to include the items that the customer expected to receive. Additionally, B**** ****** ***s, LLC post a disclaimer on each and every listing, giving the customers directions to expect the firearms before having it transferred into their names, as no matter the issue, once the item is transferred, it is no longer able to be returned due to it automatically becoming a "used" firearm, and consequently, the concerns of safety of the product once it has passed through the customers hands. The disclaimer, which was made available to this customer prior to purchase, reads as follows;

  "Please take your time to inspect all firearms thoroughly before
  proceeding with the transfer. Once a new firearm is transferred to you,
  it is considered used, even if not fired. Consequently, we cannot accept
  returns on firearms once they have been transferred into your
  possession. If a defect is discovered after the transfer, the firearm
  MUST be returned directly to the manufacturer for replacement or repair
  (in accordance with manufacturer's warranty policy). Manufacturer
  repaired firearms can be returned directly to the customer without
  additional FFL transfer or associated fees."

  Customer response

  03/30/2023

  Complaint: ********
  
  I am rejecting this response because:
  
  While, I appreciate that the company has finally admitted that their listing was incorrect, they still seem to deny responsibility for the fact that the item is fundamentally different than what was advertised, and does not have the same features. Had I wished to purchase this item I could have done so cheaper elsewhere. 

  I was not aware of their return policy at the time that I took delivery but, as this all stems from the seller's mistake and the item was purchased under false information, I would like to see some form of redress.
  
  Sincerely,
  
  ***** *****

  Business response

  04/03/2023

  Our return policy was posted directly on the link the customer purchased from. The customer had to clicked multiple confirmations during the purchase stating that he reviewed these policies. Again, if the firearm had not been transferred, we would gladly take it back and make it right. We can no longer do this since it was transferred. Due to this situation, we have now added disclaimers to our automated emails notifying the customers that there order is processing and to the emails giving tracking numbers. The disclaimer states to inspect all firearms prior to transfer, and reiterates that part of the return policy to hopefully stop this kind of situation from happening again in the future.

• Initial Complaint

  04/28/2022

  Complaint Type:

  Product Issues

  Status:

  Answered

  More info

  On 4/5/22 order # *********** - I bought a Bersa Thunder .380 firearm and 2 Bersa Thunder 8 round magazines. Total $357.74 Three days later on 4/8/22 I decided to buy for that firearm 2 Bersa Thunder 15 round magazines. Order # *********** Total $81.17 On 4/13/22 the two 15 round magazines arrived. ***** tracking ************ I took them out of the package and put them away, while waiting arrival of the firearm. Three days after that on 4/16/22 the firearm arrived. USPS tracking ********************** It's not the same firearm I bought in the photo on their website. Also the two 15 round magazines are too wide and do not fit the firearm. I contacted their customer service rep named **** and told her the firearm was not the same as the one in their photo and the magazines do not fit. She said they use stock photos from the manufacturer. She also said if you look at the photo of the 15 round magazines you can see that they are double stack magazines which makes them wider. Since I took them out of the package they can't be returned. I told her I ordered them 3 days after I ordered the gun but they arrived 3 days before the gun. So, how was I to know they wouldn't fit. We emailed back and forth several times over several days.. They pretty much told me I'm out of luck and stuck with the wrong items. Complaint #1 - They misrepresented the firearm with a photo by sending me a firearm that's different than their website photo. Complaint #2 The two 15 round magazines. Their description of the item does not disclose they are wider nor does it disclose they are called double stack nor can one see that by their photo as **** so claimed. The description just says Bersa Thunder .380 - 15 round magazine. I bought a Bersa Thunder .380 firearm and one would assume buying Bersa Thunder .380 magazines should work. Black Market Firearms have misrepresented my purchases with incorrect photos and incorrect (lack of) information. So I'm out $438.91 total

  Business response

  05/04/2022

  This customer purchased a firearm from Black Market Arms. In our terms, we state that we use stock photos and there may be some slight differences in the item received and the stock photo due to manufacturer changes. The firearm that this customer purchased had some very minor changes that the manufacturer made. The most significant difference was that the trigger was black instead of stainless steel. The manufacturer no longer makes them with the stainless steel trigger. Additionally, we also note that customers should review the firearm for any discrepancies PRIOR to transferring the firearm into their name at the local gun store they had the firearm shipped to. This is because once a firearm is transferred into someones name, legally, it cannot be considered new and is considered a used firearm. This customer took the firearm home prior to contacting Black Market Arms LLC about the issue. Due to this, Black Market Arms was unable to accept a return on the firearm.

   

  The magazines purchased could not be returned due to them not being in the original package. It is a safety issue to bring tampered with firearm parts back into inventory. Black Market Arms advertises as not accepting exchanges or returns, however, when a request is made, we do offer to return the items that are still in the original package. The magazines were in fact for a Bersa Thunder 380, just not the Bersa Thunder 380 that the customer purchased. Firearms are very particular to certain magazines made for them. Any time anyone is buying a part for their firearm, they need to know exactly what SKU or UPC number to buy that matches their specific firearm and not just buy what sounds right. We were not aware that the customer placed multiple orders or what firearm the magazines were purchased for. The customer buys products from us, and it is up to us to make sure they receive that item. It is not up to the company to ensure that the customer is buying the correct items, unless they inquire with us directly about which magazines and/or parts to purchase.
  

  Customer response

  05/04/2022

  Complaint: ********
  
  I am rejecting this response because: They are lying about the firearm and the trigger. My complaint had nothing to do with the trigger. The main difference is the grips. The photo on their website shows finger groove grips. Which is what I ordered according to their photo, and not what I received.  Also they list the magazines as Thunder .380 magazines which is correct. But, they leave out important information such as ( this magazine only works in certain Thunder .380 Firearms). As a customer I do not have a crystal ball and supposed to know there are differences that are not listed on their website.
  
  
  
  Sincerely,
  
  ******* *******

• Initial Complaint

  01/13/2022

  Complaint Type:

  Sales and Advertising Issues

  Status:

  Answered

  More info

  Purchased online a firearm for 1199 listed price. I received an email stating their inventory had a sync issue and that my order was canceled but relisted the same firearm for 1770.80 the same day! Rather than honor their price they canceled and refunded my funds. This is an error they made to draw in customers and then bait and switch to an up charge or you're out of luck.

  Business response

  01/24/2022

  A technical glitch within Black Market Arm's inventory, caused multiple versions of an item to merge into one product. The price of the item reflected the less expensive version, and hundreds of dollars less than our cost on the items they hoped for. The order was cancelled in a timely manner, the payment was authorized but had not been settled, and Black Market Arms was transparent on the issue. The customers authorization on the funds were cancelled and the system error was corrected.

  Customer response

  01/25/2022

  Complaint: ********
  
  I am rejecting this response because:

  If this was a mistake in your systems i expect it to be honored and the fact that you did not and tried to wash your hands of this issue shows and should be recorded for everyone to see how you post to grab attention from buyers then cancel and provide no solution like taking fault and providing me the item i won.

  This is your mistake to own not my fault your system is wrong. I hope others see this complaint and you loose business as you should.
  
  
  
  Sincerely,
  
  ***** ******

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