ComplaintsforGeo Byers Sons Holding, Inc.

• Initial Complaint

  07/13/2024

  Complaint Type:

  Service or Repair Issues

  Status:

  Answered

  More info

  I purchased a brand new 2024 Porsche Cayenne from Byers Imports on 11/29/23. I am still waiting for a title and valid registration for this vehicle 8 months later. I have asked many times about this issue. In 8 months no one has reached out to me to give me an update. I buy a lot of cars and this is the worst service I have ever experienced. I am paying for a car that I cant legally drive because it is not legally titled or registered.

  

  Business response

  07/15/2024

  At the time of purchase, all paperwork indicated the title should be in the name of ************************************** alone and all title documents were singularly signed by ************************************** alone.  The vehicle was successfully titled into customers name within 17 calendar days from time of purchase.  As the vehicle has a lien on it, the memorandum title only was sent to customer.
  
  We attempted to transfer license plates for the customer at the time, but the *** could not transfer them, since they were coming from a registration with two titled owners to a new vehicle with only one titled owner. When the memorandum title was sent to customer, this information was provided, and customer had the necessary documentation to obtain new license plates and registration for a single owner.
  
  It was at this point when the customer reached out to us to let us know that they wanted the title in two names, and not just one, even though the entire deal was signed by Ms. ******* alone.   Signatures were obtained from both customers who desired to be on the title as needed by the Clerk of Courts to change the title.  Additionally, the original paper title that was sent to the lienholder ****************** Services) had to be returned to Byers, along with further documentation needed to show that ***************** approved the addition of another owner onto the title.
  
  While we were awaiting the necessary paperwork from Porsche, the customer reached out several times, speaking to several different dealer representatives, and was made aware that we were in a holding pattern and were waiting on an outside source to provide documents.   
  
  We have since received what we need from ***************** and are actively working with the Clerks of Courts to get the requested second owner added to the title. That will be completed this week. 

   

   

• Initial Complaint

  06/05/2024

  Complaint Type:

  Service or Repair Issues

  Status:

  Answered

  More info

  Extremely dishonest service department. **** ***** the service department manager is unbelievably incompetent. Contradicted himself right and left. We purchased a 2024 Atlas SE from Salesman Sean (who was great). However, there is a loud popping noise coming from the cabin inside the vehicle in which Beyers claims is normal operation. The noise is intolerable. Especially if you have passengers in the back (kids). They have acknowledged the issue and did nothing to fix it and have claimed this is on ALL 2024 Atlas. Do not purchase this vehicle unless you want endless headaches. **** ***** even stated they were trying to fix a problem that wasn’t an abnormality. They are simply dishonest and the vehicle needs a recall if they’re aware this is on all models. Do not waste your money at this dealership. I have added photo of their official statement below. You will get no help from them if you have this issue. There is a clear design flaw with the vehicle that they are denying as normal operation in order to avoid fixing.

  

  Business response

  06/07/2024

  Mr. ********* Atlas was dropped off on 5/29 and was provided a loaner car while we had the car until 6/5. We started by duplicating the customer's concern of a popping noise in the rear interior of the vehicle, which required two technicians because it can only be heard in the 2nd row of the vehicle. The noise was duplicated at freeway speeds. We then began removing rear interior trim panels to find any defects, after doing so no defects were found. The same two technicians then utilized a 2024 Atlas in new car inventory to drive and the noise was also duplicated in this brand-new vehicle. This would deem the noise normal operation. Mr. ******* then arrived at the dealership to test drive another brand new 24 Atlas in our inventory. Service manager, **** ***** drove the vehicle with Mr. ******* in the 2nd row and the noise was also duplicated in this vehicle. With the noise occurring in 3 different vehicles, the noise is not desirable but there is no defect to be repaired at this time. The customer's supplied video was forwarded to VWOA for review. 

  

  Business response

  06/14/2024

  We have contacted VW and have advised the manufacture of the noise. The noise has been deemed normal condition at this time. 
  
  The customer sent pictures of their rear bumper protection plate coming unglued which is a warrantable defect and the customer will be returning to have this replaced. 

  Customer response

  06/14/2024

  [If you do not say why you are rejecting the company's response, BBB must close your complaint.] 
  
  Complaint: ********
  
  I am rejecting this response because: this is a blatant design flaw with the 2024 redesign.    
  
  Regards,
  
  **** *******

• Initial Complaint

  05/31/2024

  Complaint Type:

  Service or Repair Issues

  Status:

  Answered

  More info

  I HAVE A 2018 ********** TIGUAN THAT I PURCHASED FROM ***MAX ON JULY 18, 2023. I TOOK THE *** BACK TO ***MAX WITHIN THE 90 DAY WINDOW FOR THEIR WARRANTY BECAUSE I KEEP GETTING A MESSAGE IN THE **** STATING THAT THE 12V BATTERY ALMOST DRAINED AND ITS SWITCHING INFOTAINMENT SYSTEM OFF. ***MAX COULD NOT FIND ANYTHING WRONG WITH THE BATTERY. ***MAX THEN SENT IT TO BYERS ********** AND BYERS PUT A NEW BATTERY IN. THE MESSAGE CAME UP AGAIN AND I WAS TOLD BY ***MAX FROM THAT POINT ON THAT I HAVE TO TAKE THE VEHICLE BACK TO **********. I TOOK THE *** BACK TO BYERS ********** A SECOND TIME, THEY RESET THE SYSTEM. THE MESSAGE COMES BACK UP AGAIN. I TAKE IT BACK TO ********** A 3RD TIME, ********** STATES THEY SPOKE TO HEADQUARTERS AND THEY INFORMED THEM TO RESET IT AGAIN. I WAS ALSO TOLD BY BYERS THAT IT COULD BE THE ALTERNATOR. ALSO THEY STATE THEY HAVE NEVER SEEN THIS SITUATION HAPPEN BEFORE. THE MESSAGE IS STILL POPPING UP ON MY ****. THE *** IS STILL UNDER WARRANTY. IT IS SO FRUSTRATING TO NOT GET ANY HELP WITH GETTING MY VEHICLE REPAIRED AND HAVING TO KEEP TAKING IT BACK OVER SEVERAL TIMES FOR THE SAME ISSUE. THE MESSAGE IS STILL POPPING UP AND THE START STOP IS NOT WORKING BECAUSE THE BATTERY KEEPS DRAINING. I AM PAYING FOR A VEHICLE THAT IS NOT RUNNING PROPERLY. I AM A FEMALE THAT WORK THE LATE SHIFT AND S***ED THAT MY *** CAN STOP AT ANY TIME WHILE ON THE HIGHWAY OR COMPLETELY STOP AND MAY CAUSE AN ACCIDENT.

  

  Business response

  05/31/2024

  We have reached out to the customer and requested for her to bring the vehicle back to diagnose the car and get it taken care of. ****, VW Service Manager

  Customer response

  05/31/2024

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  Complaint: 21783380
  
  I am rejecting this response because: the vehicle hasnt been repaired. Waiting on response from Byers Volkswagen
  
  Regards,
  
  ***********************

  

  Business response

  06/14/2024

  The customer brought the vehicle back on 6/10/2024, shop ******* has re-programmed battery parameters, replaced battery and battery cable per ********** of American technical instruction. VW quality technical manager was on site 6/13 and confirmed repairs. We have test driven the car about 30 miles and no warning lights or fault codes have returned. Customer has been notified that the vehicle is ready for pick up. All repairs have been completed under **********'s new vehicle limited warranty with no charge to the customer. 

• Initial Complaint

  04/19/2024

  Complaint Type:

  Product Issues

  Status:

  Answered

  More info

  February of 2024 I bought a certified pre-owned vehicle that was an Audi A4 2020 from Audi of Columbus at 341 north hamilton rd whitehall oh. The vehicle went into limp mode and I took it back to Audi of Columbus. After Audi of Columbus gave me the run around I called audi Dublin to look into the vehicle's history because that's where the previous owner had work done. Dublin Audi advise me that the previous owner had an aftermarket remote starter installed by a non-certified Audi mechanic at a non-certified Audi shop. That shop called tons of electrical issues in the vehicle that is stated and the repair notes at Dublin of Audi. Dublin of Audi said the repairs and the electrical issues definitely voided the factory warranty. Columbus of Audi then sold me the car with a factory warranty and a certified used car warranty. Both are which the vehicle should not have.

  

  Business response

  04/24/2024

  I am writing today in a response to complaint # 21599124.

  Mr. ******** purchased a 2020 Audi A4 from Audi Columbus *** * ******** ** ********* **** ***** on February 27,2024

  When the vehicle was being certified for the Audi Pre-Owned certification, it was noticed that the vehicle had a remote start installed by the previous owner.

  In order to certify a Vehicle under Audi of America's policy, there can be NO aftermarket accessories. 

  During our certification process the remote start was removed in order to extend the warranty on the vehicle and meet Audi of America's eligibility requirement 

  On Tuesday April 9,2024 the customer brought the vehicle in for service with a warning light and limp mode concern 

  We were unable to verify the concern at that time. 

  On Thursday April 11, 2024, Mr. ******** returned with the vehicle after having it scanned at another shop. 

  We then escalated the concern to our Shop Foreman and Audi Certified Master Technician for a detailed diagnosis. 

  Our scanner had previously not picked up any fault codes, but for some reason the non-proprietary scanner did. 

  Our Master Audi Tech in his review noticed that there was some part of the wiring from the previously removed remote start that had not been completely removed.

  Repair of this item was completed resulting in successful communication through both the Audi scan tool as well as the non-proprietary scanner.  

  The vehicle was then extensively driven for a total of 234 miles with no faults occurring in either of these scan tools.

  All repairs , diagnostics , and loaner car transportation were furnished at NO cost to Mr. ******** 

  We are confident that the issue has been remedied, and the balance of the Audi Certified Vehicle warranty is intact

   

    

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

  Customer response

  04/27/2024

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  Complaint: 21599124
  
  I am rejecting this response because: 
  
  Regards,
  
  ***** ********

• Initial Complaint

  03/05/2024

  Complaint Type:

  Sales and Advertising Issues

  Status:

  Answered

  More info

  Contacted ***** ******** at ***** **** about a used vehicle for sale on 2/27/2024. Settled on a price and I agreed to make the 3 hour drive to pick up the vehicle and purchase it for the agreed upon price. Vehicle was stock # ********, a **** ***** *****. ***** confirmed with me the interest rate on the loan would be "high, somewhere between 7-8% right now, even with your excellent credit, but no money down is fine." An hour into my drive there, I was contacted by ***** saying banks were insisting on money down and I had to come up with $11,000. I confirmed the interest rate was still in the same ballpark. He confirmed, "yes, somewhere around 8%). Upon arriving at the dealership, I met with the finance person - ***** ******* - who had me sign all my paperwork and who confirmed with me my interest rate. When I got home and reviewed the paperwork, it showed a 15% interest rate. I have a 801 credit score. I understand interest rates might be high, but this dealer lied to me to get me to make a 3 hour drive. Verbally confirmed a DIFFERENT interest rate, and then knowingly had me sign documents that I was under the impression contained the agreed upon interest rate, at 8% or below.

  

  Business response

  03/05/2024

  Dear *** ******,

  
  I had a chance to review your complaint, and I'd like to apologize for any confusion that transpired during our recent transaction. Thank you for taking the time to share with our company so I can make corrections on similar deals in the future. Full transparency is what our team strives for at ***** **** and we apparently fell short of that on your recent transaction. Based on what you've shared with me, there was some confusion between you and our salesperson in regard to interest rates before you arrived at our dealership. After reviewing all of the documents of your transaction as well as listening to multiple conversations between you and our salesperson on a recorded line I was unable to find any evidence of a definitive interest rate having been discussed at any time. In reference to you being required to put money down, that was not a reflection of your credit, but loan to value and the age of the car. The only approval we were able to obtain was through ********** at the rate you signed for. To help meet the condition presented by the lender we participated by discounting the vehicle lower than the original agreed price. As for the interest rate we are at the mercy of the lender, which in this case was not a reflection of your credit, but the age of the vehicle. I hope this helps clear up any questions and if you have any further questions feel free to contact me. 

   

  Best Regards

  *** *****

  Used Car Director

  ***** Ford 

  ###-###-####

• Initial Complaint

  11/25/2023

  Complaint Type:

  Billing Issues

  Status:

  Answered

  More info

  I took my 2016 subaru wrx here because I had an engine problem and I was told I needed a new engine. I have had all my service work done at this location since owning my car. I have a insurance/warranty when I purchased the vehicle and added the cost to my loan from another dealership. When trying to have NAC help pay for the cost the manager of dealership would not compromise with them regarding labor hours, parts, etc so I would not have to pay out of pocket. The manager of the service department was very rude in communicating with me and trying to get the cost down. The total cost was over $16,000 and warranty would only pay $8200 towards a new built engine since service department said they would not put in a rebuilt engine, therefore a new engine was our only option and I had to pay the difference. I think that there should have been some kind of negotiation with the cost.

  

  Business response

  12/06/2023

  the engine in the vehicle spun a bearing, therefore the engine had to be replaced. There is not a complete engine available for this 2016 WRX and therefore the original engine had to be rebuilt. This is a costly and very time consuming repair and this is why it was a costly repair. We did reach out to the manufacturer and because of year and mileage of over 100,000 miles, there was no assistance possible.

  Customer response

  12/06/2023

  
  
  Complaint: 20908233
  
  I am rejecting this response because: I am not disputing what needed to be done.  I think Byers and the service manager could have at least helped reduce the cost of what we had to pay out of pocket since the warranty company was willing to pay for the majority of the cost and tried to negotiate the total cost, mostly labor cost!  There is a guideline that is nationwide on how many  labor hours it would take to do what was done which is around 20 hours versus 30 plus hours I was charged.  With the business I have given Byers in the past AND the money that was given, I would expect some leeway with labor cost let alone respect from manager when speaking with him.
  
  Regards,
  
  ***** ******

• Initial Complaint

  10/30/2023

  Complaint Type:

  Service or Repair Issues

  Status:

  Answered

  More info

  Byers Chevrolet **** N. ******* Dr, ***** ****, Ohio ***** Will not work with me on repairs to my 2021 Chevy Traverse. Camera stop working properly after 2 years. Purchased the delaxe package for safety measures.

  

  Business response

  11/01/2023

  Byer's Chevrolet has opened an engineering case for a potential software issue and has been determined that there is nothing wrong at this time. We are moving forward with escalating this to the Field Service Engineering team as this is a safety system warrantable concern that the dealer cannot make changes or repairs to without General Motors approval. There are no stored malfunction indicator codes. We have met with the customer in person post this complaint, collecting data and taking photos to assist the engineering team to determine if a problem exists. We empathize with the customers concerns and will do everything we can to assist them. However, we can only perform repairs if General Motors determines that there is an issue with the vehicle as the engineering team currently states there is no problem to fix at this time. We will exhaust all resources to help the customer resolve the concerns he has with his vehicle and get them escalated to the Field Service team. Once the FSE investigates, we will have the customer return to the dealer where a FSE will physically run tests on the vehicle to report to GM.

  Customer response

  11/09/2023

  [If you do not say why you are rejecting the company's response, BBB must close your complaint.] 
  
  Complaint: 20797120
  
  I am rejecting this response because: 
  
  Regards,
  
  **** *** ******

  Byers is working on vehicle now , we do not know the out come yet, I will inform BBB as soon as we get Byers answer 

   

• Initial Complaint

  07/21/2023

  Complaint Type:

  Product Issues

  Status:

  Answered

  More info

  I bought the car about 12 months ago and within the first two months the engine began knocking this dealership replaced engine with warranty coverage and then the transmission started going bad within two months of receiving it from the engine replacement it went back again for the transmission and engine issues now it’s the 4th time and I received information stating the car was sold to me but was in a total loss accident air bags were deployed I found that out through mark Wahlberg Chevrolet trying to trade it in due to all the issues I haven’t been able to drive it hardly 5 months due to them selling me a lemon vehicle

  

  Business response

  07/24/2023

  Byers Chevrolet sold the vehicle to Mr. ******** disclosing the facts that the vehicle was involved in an accident according to Carfax where according to Carfax the vehicle had moderate damage, towed from scene and airbags deployed. Mr. ******** initialed besides this discloser on the bottom of page 3 and top of page 4.  We also sold the vehicle for $3315 below retail value due to the prior accident. ****** ******* will reach out to Mr. ******** to offer to trade the customer out of the vehicle. The factory warranty has covered the cost of the repairs for both the engine and transmission work at this point. Talking to Mr. ******** on the phone he says he was aware of the accident and the damages to the vehicle. We will attempt to obtain financing for Mr. ******** into a vehicle of his choosing.

  Customer response

  07/24/2023

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  Complaint: 20359043
  
  I am rejecting this response because: now they are telling me to give them 10 grand to get me out this car ! Every time I’ve complained about this car it’s always give you guys more money this and that ! I don’t get why it can’t be an even trade or somehow we put me in a car for the same price of the Camaro and keep my loan going just on another car. 
  
  Regards,
  
  ******* ********

• Initial Complaint

  04/04/2023

  Complaint Type:

  Service or Repair Issues

  Status:

  Resolved

  More info

  On 2/13/23 my vehicle was serviced at Byer’s Volvo on Hamilton Rd. Col., Oh. At this time they worked on the engine as a sound (howling) came from the engine and revved up at stops. As they serviced my car they replaced the oil trap, brake cleaner and gasket. They found oil trap plugged up, they replaced oil trap and oil cap. Later after this repair which was $426.61 my car engine lite came on suggesting to pull off the road and don’t drive. I had my car towed to Byer’s and they checked it out. My wife got a call from them and they informed her that we needed a new engine. The estimated cost would be rounded out at $9,000. I shared that this is crazy my car is a 2016 just 0ver 93,000 miles and all our maintenance had been kept impeccable through their service department. They shared that the $9,000 engine replacement would be a used engine refurbished with 80,000 miles on it. This was unacceptable. I researched by way of Volvo manufacture and was told they were aware of a problem with the engine S60 T5. It was shared with me that this engine would likely need to be replaced at 100,000 miles, but do to not enough complaints they didn’t do a recall. I’m looking for complete resolve by getting a new engine in my vehicle. On Friday 3/31/23 Byer’s contacted me and offered me a resolution of $16,000 and they asked me to contribute $4000 as a good jester to Volvo. I shared that we did nothing wrong and we should not have to pay anything. Everyone at the dealer is aware of this possibility that this engine is likely to have issues by 100,000 miles. They chose to offer me a used engine with 80,000 miles on it or consider a new car. This sadden my heart that someone would try offering me such. I purchased this car from Byer’s after leasing it for 3 years. I knew the car and decided to buy it out. In less than a year it would be paid off. They are aware of the problem and I the consumer have to go through this to get my car taken care of. I deserve a new engine for my car at NO out of pocket cost. The maintenance department knows the situation.

  

  Business response

  04/11/2023

  I apologize for the delay in responding, I was out of the office.
  
  We appreciate Mr. and Mrs. ****** business and loyalty over the years, but this issue was caused by the engine getting overheated and we feel we have done everything we can to offer financial support and goodwill gesture.
  The vehicle is over seven years old and is three years past the warranty coverage. The car has over 93,000 miles on it and does not qualify for a warranty repair. The new engine will cost $16,000 and as a goodwill gesture, Byers Volvo and Volvo Cars North America is willing to cover $14,000 of that. Customer portion of the $16,000 engine is only $4,000. That is a very fair and generous offer.
  Please let me know if you have anymore questions or need anything else. Please close this case.
  
  Thank you.
  
  *****
  
  ***** K. *******
  
  General Manager
  Geo Byers. Sons
  ###-###-####
  d*******@byersauto.com

  Customer response

  04/12/2023

  [If you do not say why you are rejecting the company's response, BBB must close your complaint.] 
  
  Complaint: 19893583
  
  I am rejecting this response because: 

  The resolution to this matter would be for us to receive the original offer of $16,000 from Volvo that Tim out of your maintenance department shared and no money out of my pocket. We have been loyal customers having first leased and then purchasing the vehicle from you and keeping all appointments for maintenance with your dealer. 

  Volvo is aware of the possible problem with this vehicle upon 100,000 miles or 8 years which my vehicle has not reached either of these. This engine could have been a recall provided Volvo had received enough complaints. Their generous offer of $16,000 we would accept to apply toward a new vehicle from your 2023 selections, as we have been loyal with your maintenance department. This would be the gesture to make us the customer-whole.
  
  Regards,
  
  ******* ******

  

  Business response

  04/24/2023

  Volvo offered $12,000 goodwill towards the cost of a new engine that would be a total cost of $16,000. They will not offer that amount towards the purchase of a new vehicle. The $12,000 can only be applied towards the cost of the engine replacement. 

   

  That is the only offer that is on the table. 

  Customer response

  05/12/2023

  ******* ****** <******mr******@att.net>
  Wed, May 10, 1:12 PM (2 days ago)
  to disputeresolution
  
  I would consider this complaint closed.
  Per a conversation with Tom Beard of Byers Volvo on Hamilton Rd. Columbus , Ohio on Thursday 5/4/2023. We were able to come to a resolution.  He shared that I would receive a long block engine which is new from the standpoint that moving parts will be new and any casing if necessary. The warranty will be a two year with parts and labor included. Volvo manufacture is contributing $12,000 to my $4,000 which will cover all expenses for the replacement. The engine will have 0 zero miles on it. This would be the good gesture to make us the customer whole.
  
  ******* ******
  
  Sent from my iPad

• Initial Complaint

  03/29/2023

  Complaint Type:

  Service or Repair Issues

  Status:

  Answered

  More info

  I have paid 672.54 for parts and diagnostics. Received repair cost and gave them my car to repair. They kept adding repairs cost and charging unneeded further repairs. They claimed that the part that was bought from them wasn't new and I need another one. I decided that they didn't respect their initial written estimates and that I need my car back since it's not fixed. They wouldn't give it to me stating that I will need to pay almost additional $3000 and having my car the same way it got in (NOT working). My car is still at their shop and I am filing a complaint here and I don't know if I will need to get a lawyer(which is costly), or this will be enough as a complaint.

  

  Business response

  04/03/2023

  Customer has a 2011 Jeep Grand Cherokee with air ride suspension.
  
  Before bringing vehicle to us, the customer had their Jeep at another shop (aftermarket shop not dealer) for the same type of repair. The original shop claims to have replaced the air suspension pump which did not fix the problem so the car was sent to us.
  
  When the jeep got here (on 12/21/22 at 77,596 miles) we tried to charge the air suspension with nitrogen but it all leaked out. We found broken line at the air suspension pump . We gave the customer an estimate to replace that line.
  
  The Jeep came back on 3/20/23 with 78,788 miles on it with the customer requesting us to replace the line that we quoted during the last visit. Once we replaced the line and tried to charge the suspension system again but found the valve block was physically broken so we had to quote the customer for this repair and the customer approved. We installed the new valve block tried to charge system again and found that the pump was making a hammering noise found the pump was just laying inside the front bumper cover not in the brackets and appeared to be a used pump. At this time we quoted the customer for a new pump and air ride module. The air ride module was found to be a USED part with markings on the casing indicated it was used. We also found bare wires hanging from the pump that should not be.
  
  The customer came into the dealership with is “technician”  on 3/29/23. Jace and myself walked the customer and tech back to the Jeep and explained to them what we found.
  
  
  Long story short, the pump is not new. The customer is upset because we started with a line issue which turned into a bigger problem that we could not see until we fixed the line issue. The customer’s technician is calling us liars about the pump and that he wanted us to warranty the pump, which we can not.

  Please close this case.

   

  Thank you.

  *****

  Customer response

  04/03/2023

  [If you do not say why you are rejecting the company's response, BBB must close your complaint.] 
  
  Complaint: 19869906
  
  I am rejecting this response because: 

  The pump was bought with them and they even mentioned that in their receipt. They could have said the pump is not new when they received the car as it is not hidden. I am also filing in court and a lawyer agrees with me after looking at their receipts and  explanations. They charge unnecessary fix and add-ons. Do not drop this and I will prove it in court as well. 
  
  Regards,
  
  ******** *****

  Customer response

  04/25/2023

  Hello, 
  
  I haven't received another response before this one. Since, they are willing to pay for the pump then I will be going there Monday to discuss with them. 
  
  Thank you!
  
  ******** 

  

  Business response

  04/25/2023

  We will see you Monday. The additional parts have been ordered.

   

   

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