ComplaintsforU.S. Concealed Carry Association

• Initial Complaint

  06/11/2024

  Complaint Type:

  Billing Issues

  Status:

  Answered

  More info

  Canceled my membership on 1/8/2024 (received an email confirming cancelation) and noticed on 6/11/2024 that USCCA continued to charge my credit card each month consecutively for the five months AFTER I had canceled.

  

  Business response

  06/11/2024

  We connected with ******* over the phone today (6/11/2024) to resolve the account issue. We have issued a refund of $246.10 via check, which will be mailed to him. This error occurred due to a processing mistake on our part, resulting in an unintended charge. 

• Initial Complaint

  05/15/2024

  Complaint Type:

  Product Issues

  Status:

  Answered

  More info

  I have been a member going on my 3rd month now so because of family medical ****'s I had to council today and I was told I don't get my refund and that it has to be a different reason to get my refund and I was going to join back up as soon as I get the medical bils handled but I will not be joining in the future... Me not getting my refund is my only complaint... GOD BLESS...

  

  Business response

  05/17/2024

  ***************************** and I spoke over the phone today to resolve this. He will be getting his refund for $58.18 (for his two payments he provided). He was thankful for the call and very understanding of our error. - Eva 

• Initial Complaint

  04/26/2024

  Complaint Type:

  Service or Repair Issues

  Status:

  Resolved

  More info

  I took an Instructor Course and became one of USCCA certified instructors (cost $800) and I decided not to pursue this path and work in my former industry. When ****** searching my name and telephone number, USCCA's profile site of me is the number one search result. I asked them to remove the page, profile and my complete account with them because I did not want it appearing, as I was not interested in being an instructor. This was on 1/2024. After numerous emails and phone calls it appeared to be successfully removed. Now it is back up as the 1st result of my name and phone number in ****** and . They have been non-responsive to emails. I want it permanently removed from their site and search engines.

  

  Business response

  05/01/2024

  Business states this issue has been resolved. 

  Customer response

  05/08/2024

  [A default letter is provided here which indicates your acceptance of the business's response.  If you wish, you may update it before sending it.]
  
  Better Business Bureau:
  
  I have reviewed the response made by the business in reference to complaint ID ********, and find that this resolution is satisfactory to me. 
  
  Regards,
  
  ***************************
  

• Initial Complaint

  04/12/2024

  Complaint Type:

  Product Issues

  Status:

  Resolved

  More info

  I have attempted to work with this business over the course of 4 different associates. The agreement for cancellation clearly states that if you cancel youre due for a refund if requested. If you cancel within 12 months, youre eligible for a full refund. Well, Ive been a member for 3 years, so I constitute as the first option and I was told by the first 3 employees that Im not reading the agreement right and Im due for $0 worth of refund. The 4th associate that can read finally told me I was right, but because I pay month to month, Im not owed anything. It clearly states that any unutlized time can be refunded. Technically, I did not use the service over the course of ALL 3 years, but I only asked for 3 months.Theres also evidence in other reports/reviews that shows other monthly subscribed members are successfully gettigg by refunds.This company lies about their own policies and agreements. They also indulge in deceptive practices.

  

  Business response

  04/25/2024

  Dear ******,
  
  We sincerely apologize for the frustration or disappointment you encountered during the cancellation process, and we understand that our refund policy may not have met your expectations.
  
  After thoroughly reviewing your account and your Platinum membership of 2 years and 3 months (Feb. 2022 - April 2024), there may have been some confusion regarding the specifics of our policy. We would like to clarify this and explain how your cancellation was in alignment with the Membership Agreement. 
  Membership Agreement language: In the event of cancellation, **************** the Primary Member a refund proportional to the unutilized time of the current membership term. If a Primary Member cancels membership during the first year of membership because the Primary Member is dissatisfied with the USCCA or the membership benefits and the Primary Member requests a full refund pursuant to the USCCA Bulletproof Guarantee, Delta will refund the total membership dues that have been paid for that first year of membership. 
  
  Our cancellation policy is designed to provide flexibility and transparency to our members. While our USCCA Bulletproof Guarantee offers a full refund within the first year for dissatisfied members, subsequent cancellations are subject to a refund of unused funds based on the time remaining in the membership term. Because you continued your membership beyond the first year, the USCCA Bulletproof Guarantee portion of the policy does not apply to you upon your recent cancellation. Additionally, since your cancellation was aligned with your billing cycle (March 11th - April 11th), there were no unused funds remaining at the time of your cancellation (April 11, 2024).
  
  We want to assure you that our policy is not intended to deceive our members but rather to ensure members feel confident in their purchase during the period outlined in the agreement.
  
  If you have any further questions or require clarification regarding our policies or your account, please dont hesitate to contact us. Were here to assist you every step of the way.
  
  

  Customer response

  04/25/2024

  Better Business Bureau:
  
  I have reviewed the response made by the business in reference to complaint ID ********, and have determined that this does not resolve my complaint.  For your reference, details of the offer I reviewed appear below.
  
  I am rejecting this response because this does not go over why 3 of your associates (including a customer service manager) lied to me about the cancellation policy and the 4th person explaining what you have explained here.

   I also reject the word transparency that you attempt to use in order to describe your cancellation policy as I, and many others who complained before me, reflect this same message that its the worst customer experience, its deceitful and unprofessional. 

  The third reason I reject this is because, as explained within all of the conversations and communications with this company, there have been refunds provided to customers who have been monthly subscribers before me and you can find such examples right here on the front page of your business complaints.
  

  Because of your employees lying to me over the phone (which I imagine you have recorded), my dissatisfaction of this service, as well as the headache Ive been put through over this, I stand by my request for 3 months of a refund. 
  
  Regards,
  
  *********************

  

  Business response

  05/01/2024

  Business states this issue has been resolved. 

  Customer response

  05/02/2024

  [A default letter is provided here which indicates your acceptance of the business's response.  If you wish, you may update it before sending it.]
  
  Better Business Bureau:
  
  I have reviewed the response made by the business in reference to complaint ID ********, and find that this resolution is satisfactory to me. 
  
  They issued me a full refund for my month by month subscription and apologized for the poor service and training of their employees. They may even be adjusting their policy and the language within it because of the fact it isnt exactly clear.

   

  I am satisfied with the resolution.

  
  Regards,
  
  *********************

  
  

• Initial Complaint

  01/17/2024

  Complaint Type:

  Service or Repair Issues

  Status:

  Answered

  More info

  I have been a member of USCCA since 6/17/2020. After having legal counsel review the terms and conditions of the coverage I decided that it was advised that canceling and defunding my membership would be in my best interest.Upon calling USCCA I was told that I would only be refunded for 1 year of membership. I do not enroll in the annual subscription but rather month-month. The money back guarantee is false and misleading. Customers will not receive a full refund .

  

  Business response

  01/19/2024

  I would like to begin by thanking you for taking the time to share your feedback with us, *******. We are truly sorry for any misunderstandings that *** have occurred regarding the 365-Day Bulletproof Guarantee. As per the membership Agreement, page 5, you are *********** a refund for the membership dues that have been paid for the current term of the membership under the USCCA Bulletproof Guaranty. The membership term is outlined under Term of Membership Automatic Renewal on pages 3-4 as one year. I do see we were able to successfully process your refund and you will be receiving a check refund for $130.65 in the mail in addition to your refund back to your credit card of $104.52 for the four most recent payments.
  
  We are disappointed to hear that you have decided to cancel your membership. We understand that this is ultimately your decision and we respect it. It is important to us that you know that our membership grants you access to life-saving education and training, as well as self-defense liability insurance benefits. We wish you the best and hope that you will keep us in mind for any future needs. Please do not hesitate to contact us at ************ if you have any questions or concerns.
  
  

• Initial Complaint

  11/07/2023

  Complaint Type:

  Billing Issues

  Status:

  Answered

  More info

  I have had an amount of 1$ come out of my account from your company but I live in ****** and have no idea what this organisation is and have not signed up to anything so I need this refunding and confirmation that my card details are not being used by someone

  

  Business response

  11/08/2023

  Thank you for reaching out to us, ******. I am so sorry to hear about this happening. We have reason to believe that your credit card information may have been compromised by a cybercriminal or fraudster outside of USCCA/*************. We are aware of the situation and understand the inconvenience it may cause. IT security digital properties is of the utmost priority for us. 
  
  Immediately upon being alerted, our teams looked into this and have reason to believe that your credit card information has been compromised by an individual unrelated to the USCCA or ************* and outside of any of our systems. The charge that was made, followed by a reversal, appears to be a preliminary test conducted by these bad actors, likely in preparation for further unauthorized transactions.
  
  In light of this, we strongly recommend that you contact your bank or credit card company to report any unauthorized charges to your account. Please feel welcome to contact us directly at any time by calling ************! 
  
  

• Initial Complaint

  09/21/2023

  Complaint Type:

  Billing Issues

  Status:

  Resolved

  More info

  I have been a member since December 2022. Around March 2023, I started receiving emails from ****** "your payment has been declined" of which I would go onto USCCA website and re-enter credit card information for automatic payments. I've had to do the same thing every month since, apart from last month when I actually called and spoke to a representative, explained the problem, and was assured it was taken care of. NOPE. There is something seriously wrong with their payment system, or the employees/web masters in the inability to fix a problem. If there's issues in the payment system, what about the core service they are providing? God forbid, after an incident, are they going to drop the ball there too. This needs to go to management level. I've tried the other levels and ended up getting the same result, month after month. I have serious reservations about USCCA reliability.

  

  Business response

  09/22/2023

  Hello *****. We appreciate your feedback about your experience and apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused. Occasionally, payment processing issues may arise if a bank has flagged or halted a payment. While this has not been a recurring issue with multiple accounts, we are working towards a solution to address your specific concern. We would be happy to submit a billing inquiry to work towards a resolution. Please do not hesitate to contact us at ************ so we can assist you further.
  
  Regarding our services, we assure you that any issues with our payment system will not affect our ability to provide quality self-defense services. In the event of a self-defense incident, please contact us directly and our team will be available to assist you 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. Thank you for your understanding and please let us know if there is anything else we can do to help.
  
  

• Initial Complaint

  05/17/2023

  Complaint Type:

  Product Issues

  Status:

  Answered

  More info

  I have been a customer of ********************** since 2021. I was spoken to by a uscca rep during the end of my ccw course and somewhat rushed in to joining them with the promise of a discount although for a while I had no regrets. I have a few times had to cancel my policy due to financial issues and when requesting refunds always figured that asking for a refund would be the 365 day guarantee money back refund which i never received. At the beginning of this month I cancelled my policy due to transferring to a different company. During the call I was on multiple occasions pressured in to keeping my membership with promises of payment deferment, asked what they could do to keep me as a customer and etc. I wound up still cancelling after the convo and requested a refund and after checking my account i received a prorated amount and didn't know i had to specifically request the 365 money back refund. This company although they have some cool things other companies don't they are very hard to tell no too. Im not exactly sure if I am able to get the 365 refund but would like to if possible. *******************. 09/10/1996 *********************** **********

  

  Business response

  05/19/2023

  Thank you, ****, for taking the time to share your feedback. We sincerely apologize for the less than satisfactory experience you had with one of our Account Executives during your CCW course, as well as not receiving the promised discount. At the USCCA, we constantly strive to provide exceptional education and training, and we appreciate your feedback as it presents an opportunity for improvement in our service delivery.
  
  Upon thorough review of your account, it has come to our attention that you activated your USCCA Membership on February 6, 2022, but unfortunately, it was automatically canceled on June 6, 2022, due to nonpayment. We did not receive any call or refund request during this period. Subsequently, you started another membership on November 15, 2022, which was also auto-canceled on December 15, 2022, again due to nonpayment, and no refund was requested.
  
  Regarding your recent call to our contact center to cancel your USCCA membership, which was activated on March 30, 2023, we understand that your decision was based on financial constraints. It is our utmost priority to ensure that our members are aware of the various options available to them, and we always strive to find potential solutions to help them maintain the life-saving benefits of their USCCA Membership. However, since you did not express dissatisfaction with your USCCA membership or request a full refund for the membership dues paid for the most recent term, our advisor proceeded with canceling your membership effective May 5, 2023, and initiated a prorated refund of $32.50.
  
  We would like to clarify that the USCCA does offer a 365-day bulletproof guarantee upon request, allowing customers to receive a refund for the membership dues paid for the current term if they are dissatisfied for any reason, as outlined in the USCCA Membership Agreement.
  
  We understand your desire to receive a full refund for this recent term of membership, and we are committed to resolving this matter to your satisfaction. In light of this, I have taken the necessary steps to process the full refund for you. I have issued a refund of $32.50, which corresponds to your most recent payment made on May 5, 2023, and an additional refund of $39.00 for the payment made on March 30, 2023.
  
  Once again, we apologize for any inconvenience caused, and we appreciate your understanding. Your feedback is valuable to us, and we remain dedicated to improving our services to better serve our members. If you have any further questions or concerns, please do not hesitate to reach out to us.
  
  

• Initial Complaint

  05/05/2023

  Complaint Type:

  Product Issues

  Status:

  Resolved

  More info

  I subscribed to USCCA on May 13th, 2022. I did so via their website and the process was done entirely online. During a renewal email I received, I decided I was no longer interested in keeping my subscription. I attempted to reach out via direct chat to affirmatively tell them I'm looking to cancel. They said that I needed to call in to give a verbal statement for "security" reasons. This is absolutely absurd that they're willing to take my money and provide service (which would include expensive legal representation in certain situations) without requiring me to call in or affirm I'd like service, but when it comes to canceling they couldn't let me click cancel from within my authenticated account on their website.My complaint here is that it is intentionally made more difficult to cancel their service than it is to sign up for it. Clearly their claim that it's a security reason is unreasonable as the only option because they could verify I have access to the account via their website, via email, or even by asking for information about me they already have on file. After I informed them I'd be filing a complaint for the extra difficulty, they shortly after closed my support conversation with them without offering any alternatives.I also attempted to email them to cancel my services and had included membership ID numbers for the two people I have on my membership, but the response I got was a boilerplate claim that I needed to provide voice confirmation. Across the chat and email I had with them, they already know I am capable of logging into the account, know I have both membership IDs, know I own the email address on file, and had plenty of opportunities to ask for other identity verifying information.Their practices towards user retention by burden is obnoxious and why the *** is sculpting rules that mandate against this. In addition to my complaints, I've requested a refund in full based on their 365-day refund guarantee.

  

  Business response

  05/05/2023

   Good afternoon ****** and thank you for taking the time to leave your review!
  
  I apologize for any confusion regarding this, but verbal authorization for member security is required. This is outlined in our Member agreement that all members agree to upon activating their membership. You can view the USCCA Member Agreement here: **************************************************
  
  You can call at anytime to cancel and and request your 365 Bulletproof Guarantee, and I would be happy to have an advisor call you directly to help you with this process.  We can call you at any time you would like, or you can contact ** at ************. 
  
  

  Customer response

  05/05/2023

  Better Business Bureau:
  
  I have reviewed the response made by the business in reference to complaint ID ********, and have determined that this does not resolve my complaint.  For your reference, details of the offer I reviewed appear below.
  

  This business practice of making it more difficult to cancel an account than to sign up is flagrantly malicious. There are numerous methods of me being able to prove my identity and give authorization to cancel, but the practice of ******* it behind exactly one method of cancelation, which is openly known to be one of the standard difficult ways, is unacceptable. In some businesses that have made this their approach, it falls under antitrust laws around monopolization. This is also exactly why the *** has rules proposed to expand the Negative Option Rule to include click-to-cancel requirements, because enrollment should be _as simple_ as termination, not more cumbersome.

  There is absolutely no reason why I can't cancel my service from within a secure login, or via request of the email attached to my account, or via questions through email or chat. Do not suggest this is for member security as opposed to member retention. If there are no alternative options provided to fulfill my requests, I can not accept your response and will be filing a matching *** complaint with the same stance for their review.

  I've already directly provided my first/last name, member IDs, email address, and affirmation of the upcoming renewal date. You have plenty of information about me to support that I am the right person to authorize a cancelation. If you'd like a picture of our USCCA cards, we can do that as well. This is absolutely obnoxious to try to take the stance that my security is at risk solely because you want me to talk to a member retention team member that will try to apply some pressure to retain service. You don't have biometrics on my voice. My voice on a phone call is not what you're using for security. In fact, I'd go as far as to say that it is concerning that you want to have that information about me. You don't know my medical traits or limitations, you don't know whether I even have access to a phone or if I incur extra fees for calls.

  I am continuing my request for cancelation of upcoming renewal and to process a refund under the 365 day guarantee.

  Regards,

  *******************************

  

  Business response

  05/11/2023

  Dear ******,
  
  Thank you for bringing this matter to our attention. We are sorry for the poor cancellation process that youve experienced. We appreciate you providing all pertinent information associated with your membership account. In alignment with the member agreement, policies and procedures in place are done to ensure the privacy and protection of USCCA members. With that being said, we were able to locate your account and cancel your membership immediately. Your 365-day bulletproof guarantee refund has been requested. You will receive a check refund within 4-6 weeks in the amount of $448.78.
  
  If you have any questions, dont hesitate to reach out.

  Customer response

  05/11/2023

  [A default letter is provided here which indicates your acceptance of the business's response.  If you wish, you may update it before sending it.]
  
  Better Business Bureau:
  
  I have reviewed the response made by the business in reference to complaint ID ********, and find that this resolution is satisfactory to me. 

  My only note to make clear is that I've had about 4 different USCCA reps ******** me to saying I'd need to call in to prove ownership and none of them offered any questions towards proving account/membership ownership. I was entirely on board with being asked any quantity of relevant questions to help prove ownership and initiate this process. I appreciate that we ultimately got to the resolution, but I'm hoping that USCCA changes its policy and allows other means of proof such as 2FA before law finishes its path to mandating it.

  Rather than waiting for the refund to path through ***** I have accepted this as a response to my issues rather than my wishes for how to improve business procedures. Thank you for willing to accept a variety of information to kick off the cancelation and refund process.

  Regards,
  
  *******************************

  
  

• Initial Complaint

  04/21/2023

  Complaint Type:

  Product Issues

  Status:

  Answered

  More info

  2023 over $400 spent with sig ***** under uscca promo. I bought paid for all items needed. Made my online purchase .uscca is missing 400 rounds of primo ammo never sent. Both party's sig ***** and uscca were paid in full no issues. ******* and robbed and both acknowledged saying both is Not there problem. So nobody does or sends anything. This is wrong and nobody cares to right over 400$ worth of missing product promised. I did all steps and refuse to do anything more. Send my product ,all have mailing info no need for further conversation

  

  Business response

  04/21/2023

  Hi *******, thank you for taking the time to leave a review! I apologize for any frustrations this has caused. It looks like your code for the Sig ***** Ammo and Ammo Bag were emailed to you on March 28th. Once you follow the instructions provided in that email and complete your order through Sig ***** using the provided code, their site states that it can take up to 6-8 weeks for delivery, I apologize again for any frustration this has caused! The Ammo and Ammo Bag is actually fulfilled by ************** not the USCCA so we are unable to see or provide any details on that order as we do not have access to that information. Please reach out to Sig ***** **************** directly at ************ and they should be able to provide you with more information on your order. Please dont hesitate to give us a call at ************ and we would be happy to answer any questions you may have!

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